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Old 02-23-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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Why do you think I'm mad at free trade?
I'd say you are a TERRIBLE mind reader - don't give up your day job.
No surprise there I guess since you don't seem to know the Democratic Platform either.

Ken
Well, considering NAFTA is the #1 reason for the decline in US private unions I made the assumption that you knew what you were talking about when citing republican legislation that hurt the unions.

But I guess you just can't bring yourself to admit to any bi-partisan culpability.
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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I live in a neighborhood in Chicago full of rich, limousine liberals that talk the talk but don’t want to walk the walk. They will talk about uplifting the under class, but god forbid anyone try to build a shelter in their neighborhood of million dollar homes and rising property values that displace middle class families that have lived there for much longer, but can not afford to due to the property tax burdens.


They are just as bad as those on the right who simply say “F*** the poor.”
They appeal their property taxes, too. Shouldn't they be happy to pay full fare?
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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I don't know....he just used Chicago as an example here.


You can literally pick just about any democrat-run inner city sh--hole in America and find that indeed democratic politicians have ruined them.
I'm not seeing a good case for that being made by the infotainer from FOX (and I'm hard of all the media).

What he presented proved nothing other than to try to get some cheap ratings.

Again, I'd be open to a study but there are major societal and macro-economic factors going on around his conveniently selected starting point with regards to integration, white flight, increased foreign manufacturing competition and so on and so forth.

I grew up in a small town, very republican town...the factory that used to make the town wealthy started to decline around the 1970's. It steadily declined until well now it is gone and what used to be a lot of good paying jobs are now all bad paying jobs in countries like China and Mexico.

That town is no longer prosperous as good jobs are much fewer and farther between these days.

It had zero to do with anything the town did and this scene unfolded in every city in the US whether it had 10,000 or a few million residents.
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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I don't know....he just used Chicago as an example here.

You can literally pick just about any democrat-run inner city sh--hole in America and find that indeed democratic politicians have ruined them.
I can't imagine some of you extremist .... have ever been to Chicago. Boggles my mine how people just are this extreme..... Even Donald Trump would not say that. He built his tallest Trump Tower in Chicago. Guess its a s--t Ho-e to him too to invest in.

Just ridiculous rhetoric. Its like being UnAmerican to me in such extremism.

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Old 02-23-2019, 06:45 PM
 
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I can't imagine some of you extremist .... have ever been to Chicago. Boggles my mine how people just are this extreme..... Even Donald Trump would not say that. He built his tallest Trump Tower in Chicago. Guess its a s--t Ho-e to him too to invest in.

Just ridiculous rhetoric. Its like being UnAmerican to me in such extremism.
My mother's entire family is from Illinois. I actually had a family member living in Chicago, and I have been there (when I was a kid we took a family vacation to Illinois every Summer).

So I know more about it than most places. It's not like it's a secret or anything anyways for people that don't have ties to that State/city.


Unfortunately half of Chicago's undesirables have relocated to my city (Minneapolis) though, so I get a nice dose of Chicago just about whenever I feel like it.
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:53 PM
 
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I understand it just fine. Do YOU?


"Median income is the amount that divides the income distribution into two equal groups, half having income above that amount, and half having income below that amount. Mean income (average) is the amount obtained by dividing the total aggregate income of a group by the number of units in that group."

"Pew defines the middle class as those earning between two-thirds and double the median household income.This means that the category of middle-income is made up of people making somewhere between $40,500 and $122,000."

In Chicago HALF the households have an income of over $68,000 - WELL within the range of "Middle Class"


Ken
$68,000 can seem like a lot for a household if it's just one person. A high school teacher starts off making less than that. The same with truck drivers with little to no experience.

Chicago's median household income is $52,000 with a per capita of $32,000. The average adult individual in Chicago probably has an income closer to the per capita figure. The affluent neighborhood of Lincoln Park has a household median income of $95,000, and Lakeview at $82,000. Both are in the blue on the map, and neither I would say are middle class neighborhoods and are home to a large amount of non-married young professionals( yuppies) .

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Old 02-23-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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My mother's entire family is from Illinois. I actually had a family member living in Chicago, and I have been there (when I was a kid we took a family vacation to Illinois every Summer).

So I know more about it than most places. It's not like it's a secret or anything anyways for people that don't have ties to that State/city.

Unfortunately half of Chicago's undesirables have relocated to my city (Minneapolis) though, so I get a nice dose of Chicago just about whenever I feel like it.
I could say that by me in East Central PA in those coming from NYC and Philly. But these ARE OUR AMERICAN CITIES. Chicago may have two sides. But its better side (I'll use it just lightly not to offend) is bigger then Minneapolis.

Like I show. It s a amazing city that is a Tourism Mecca now too. 58-million up 2-million from 2017. So despite its issues. Some things it thrives in. I'm not young either. BUT I USE REASON not merely on politics or race.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/terrico.../#4110c13d7842
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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I don't know....he just used Chicago as an example here.


You can literally pick just about any democrat-run inner city sh--hole in America and find that indeed democratic politicians have ruined them.
What happened to most of America's inner cities is a lot more complex than "Democrat vs. Republican". To really understand it, you should become familiar with redlining, "white flight", race riots, the rise of the automobile (and building of freeways), and the subsidization of suburban living.

Throw in a healthy dose of deindustrialization and outsourcing of jobs - and you can see how things have went the way they did.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:08 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Well, considering NAFTA is the #1 reason for the decline in US private unions I made the assumption that you knew what you were talking about when citing republican legislation that hurt the unions.

But I guess you just can't bring yourself to admit to any bi-partisan culpability.
Really?
NAFTA is the "#1 reason for the decline in US private unions"?
REALLY?
Hmmmm, that's weird, because union membership was ALREADY FALLING drastically for DECADES before NAFTA and most of the union jobs lost since NAFTA have likely been lost due to increased automation and trade with CHINA rather than Mexico or Canada. Most economists blame the 1947 GOP Taft-Hartley Act for much of the decline. That makes sense since within a few short years of it's signing union membership began it's long decline. In fact, union membership percentage had already fallen by nearly TWO THIRDS before NAFTA was ever signed into law.

Bur I guess you just can't bring yourself to admit that you don't have clue about this subject.

Ken
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:12 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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What happened to most of America's inner cities is a lot more complex than "Democrat vs. Republican". To really understand it, you should become familiar with redlining, "white flight", race riots, the rise of the automobile (and building of freeways), and the subsidization of suburban living.

Throw in a healthy dose of deindustrialization and outsourcing of jobs - and you can see how things have went the way they did.
EXACTLY right.

Ken
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