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Old 12-23-2018, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I like Walter Williams' example of the Texas cattle rancher working to put steaks on the table of New Yorkers that he doesn't even like. It sounds bad to point out that he's doing it out of self-interest, but he is. He's not working for New Yorkers out of the goodness of his heart, or else they'd be steakless.

My main point is that I think collectivism is behind most of the evil in world history, and people don't connect the dots.

You can believe that every human has rights that should be respected, and that force shouldn't be used against them if they're just living peacefully and harming no one else. Defensive force is the only justified use of force.

Then you have the belief that, as long as we get an outcome that seems beneficial to the majority, it's okay to violate the rights of individuals who don't go along with the plan. Their will must be subjugated to the collective in the name of the common good.

I hope people learn at some point.
They do know it and believe it...they just don't apply it consistently across all facets of life. The State is the exception to all rules.

If every individual ran their home life the same way the State runs society...which they believe it has the right to do...they'd beat up their family members, blackmail them, kill them, steal from them, defraud them, etc.

Surely no one would want to live in a house like that and aside from a small percentage of sociopaths no one would want to run a household like that.
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So you think the US is a benevolent actor and not a terrorist organization?
It's a terrorist organization like all the other States. We should focus more on the paradigm that creates this cycle of theft, fraud, murder, etc rather than specifically focusing on each State and its record.

But to some extent I do agree it is ok to try to use the U.S. as an example since that State lays a claim on the lives of the people we are talking to on here but the paradigm itself needs to be defeated.
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I think you're about to illustrate how libertarians are more than just Republicans who want to smoke weed.

Being against these wars is one of the biggest parts of being libertarian.
I switched to edibles. No State required for my decision.

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Old 12-23-2018, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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They do know it and believe it...they just don't apply it consistently across all facets of life. The State is the exception to all rules.

If every individual ran their home life the same way the State runs society...which they believe it has the right to do...they'd beat up their family members, blackmail them, kill them, steal from them, defraud them, etc.

Surely no one would want to live in a house like that and aside from a small percentage of sociopaths no one would want to run a household like that.
Good point. Not everyone is cut out for the mafia.
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I switched to edibles. No State required for my decision.

Trump: I knew No_Recess was eating those edibles. We go way back. I let him eat the edibles. It was my decision. Tremendous edibles.
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:45 PM
 
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As noted above, I'm simply for righting the ship.
I can’t see how you can justify armed robbery.
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It's a terrorist organization like all the other States. We should focus more on the paradigm that creates this cycle of theft, fraud, murder, etc rather than specifically focusing on each State and its record.

But to some extent I do agree it is ok to try to use the U.S. as an example since that State lays a claim on the lives of the people we are talking to on here but the paradigm itself needs to be defeated.
A state is a vehicle of violence.
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:01 PM
 
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I can’t see how you can justify armed robbery.
I stated my position. You can address it or post your worthless statements. Doesn't matter to me.
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Good point. Not everyone is cut out for the mafia.
Government is not the mafia.

The seals stamped on their papers and the ornate buildings downtown make the day-to-day operations dignified and official. Theft becomes "taxation", murder becomes "justice", extortion becomes "licensing", etc.

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Old 12-23-2018, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Somerset, KY
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such a silly question. libertarians are nothing more than conservative/republicans

They're just more bitter and jaded.


it's that simple
Libertarians aren't Republicans. They've supported marriage equality since their founding in 1974, they support drug legalization, Immigration, and a host of other things that Republicans wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

People think that they are Republicans because they are fiscally conservative.

I doubt that Libertarians have a higher IQ than others, but they are definitely more independent thinkers.
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