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Old 07-22-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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True, but have you ever seen the country in the condition that it is in today? I mean the crazy wild ride we have had since the election? It seems some people want to see the country fail because of the hate for one man. I find it unbelievable.

Were you saying the same things when Mitch McConnell vowed to block Obama's every step even before he took office?


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I grew up in a country that came together and supported the president that was duly elected.

WHAT country would that be?

You tell me I should pay attention to the news while it's apparently something you do not do.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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True, but have you ever seen the country in the condition that it is in today? I mean the crazy wild ride we have had since the election? It seems some people want to see the country fail because of the hate for one man. I find it unbelievable. I grew up in a country that came together and supported the president that was duly elected.
Usually those duly elected presidents sided with the US.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You've got to, with great sadness, hand it to the Democrats. They are the Massive, Mental Manipulators of the Masses. They have half this nation readily willing to dispense with reality and follow the Pied Pipers of deceit and distortion. But they were not the first to use intense indoctrination as a means to control and enslave with words and accusations. The Nazis convinced Europe's most civilized and educated people to think nothing of incinerating and gassing to death their neighbors, friends and fellow citizens. Torrents of verbiage of hatred and contempt for a target, uttered by a well organized minority mesmerized the entire nation to crazed behavior never seen before in modern times.

And now, right here within our own borders we are edging closer to the utter destruction of a nation that in a mere 242 years evolved to be the greatest this world has ever seen. The Democrats, Socialists, Progressives, Communists, whatever the current enemies of our democracy call themselves, are steadily hacking away at its foundations. Rather than accept defeat at the polls they have made the decision to overthrow with fear, shock, terror and lies. They bellow that Trump and all of his followers are traitors to this country. That Russia is now ensconced in the White House and our president is a puppet of Putin. Forgotten by the Left were the days of the Democrat Party idolizing the Communist regime in Russia. The acknowledged Communist Vice President to FDR, Henry Wallace: FDR approving the enslavement of Eastern Europe by Stalin: the denial by the Democrats that the Soviets were successfully holed up in our government as spies ala the Rosenbergs and the Communist led union movement. The denouncement of McCarthy's charges. All the above subversive actions by the Left are clearly recorded in history.

But, let's now move on to Obama and his subservience to all of Putin's demands regarding: our removal of anti-missile batteries from Poland and Czechoslovakia, the wink at the assault on the Ukraine and Crimea, the Russian invasion of Syria, the rebuke to Romney for his claim during the '12 debates that Russia was our enemy and to top it all off was Obama's handing over to Putin 20% of our scarce uranium deposits. And didn't Russia's payment of half a million $ to Bill Clinton for a head in the soup talk look a bit like a payoff for that gifted nuclear component? So, which party and its leaders are in the bag for Putin?

We are now on dangerous grounds. The day after Trump was sworn in, calls for his impeachment and assassination rolled across the nation. Republicans were called "Scumbags, Baskets of Deplorables, Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, Islamophobes and Enslavers of Blacks." Anything to demean and degrade as humans. Republicans are now being attacked in the streets, thrown out of restaurants. Republican legislators have been shot and beaten openly by Progressives with nary a word from Obama, Hillary, Bernie or any other leader to "Cease and Desist." Rather, they stoke the flames of hatred by continuing to slander Conservatives.

To those of us who are aware of the situation..... we have to be strong, outspoken and resilient against the forces against us. They mean business. They seek to overthrow this nation and trample our liberties. Not so much in jest, I advise, when confronted by Progressive/Democrat/Socialist/Communist relatives and friends who berate you for all the contrived problems that you created by being Conservative, merely stand up tall, hands at sides, click your heels, raise your right hand and state, "Let's Make America Great Again" That should surely destroy the evening.
I hope you feel better now that you got it off your chest.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:11 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Presidents and administrations come and go every 4-8 yrs though, the real problem is the 'govt behind them,' that exists all the time, despite who is in office or which party has the majority at any given time.

A good example of this was in 2012, Obama was in office and the Dems held majority of seats, and yet Govt cracked down on the pharma companies, opioid drugs, this should have never happened under a liberal/ Democrat controlled govt...and yet it did.
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And my opinion is you base your opinion of what I am/am not aware on nothing but personal bias.

One thing I'm aware of is several Trumpers I know quite well who are generally knowledgeable people who continue to believe RW BS such as Hillary having sold 20% of US uranium to Russia which isn't remotely close to being either factual or to what actually happened.

That's not opinion, it's fact about a specific incident, something you seem averse to.

I have repeatedly said I am not a 'Trumper" I did not vote for either candidate because I did not believe that they were good for the country. However, I am not going to try to undermine the country because of someone being elected that I did not want.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I am not a "Trumpeter" and it is obvious to me that it is the Democrats that hate American values, and I think even a blind man could see this.
Could you define those "American Values" for us, please? I hesitate to comment until I know what the discussion is about.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Could you define those "American Values" for us, please? I hesitate to comment until I know what the discussion is about.
I see some progress here where you have no ideal of what American values are and will rely on others to define it for you. Admitting your lack of knowledge is a good first step.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Were you saying the same things when Mitch McConnell vowed to block Obama's every step even before he took office?





WHAT country would that be?
They have such a short memory. This is a known FACT - conservatives accuse others of that which they are guilty.

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I would suggest you'd benefit by following your own advice and also note you apparently can't name anything specific that's fact rather than merely your opinion.

But, keep supporting con-men who throw their own administration under the bus while kissing the butt of a murderous Russian dictator, sounds like a real path to glory for America. BTW, that's one of the things that's hit me square in the face from the news, the willingness of people to support a compulsively lying con-man.
It sure was glorious when Trump got on BOTH knees (never mind taking one knee) for Putin over his own country.

At least the Trump boot-lickers thought so.

Their new refrain is no longer denying that Trump and his fellow comrades colluded with Russia. It's that COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA IS OK!

And then they have the balls to call Democrats traitors. Sorry RWNJ's - the entire world sees you for what you are.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:19 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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I see some progress here where you have no ideal of what American values are and will rely on others to define it for you. Admitting your lack of knowledge is a good first step.
Exactly!
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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So having a spineless president roll over to a two bit dictator overseeing a kleptocracy, Looking like a lap dog while he is doing it is the solution here???
Obama is no longer in office.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Were you saying the same things when Mitch McConnell vowed to block Obama's every step even before he took office?





WHAT country would that be?

You tell me I should pay attention to the news while it's apparently something you do not do.
1) Yes! I believe in doing the right thing.

2) Apparently, you are unaware of how this country pulled together in the past.
Uh...the United States of America that is.
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