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Old 07-19-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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And yet today, 22% of the states have the power to elect a POTUS.
You do understand that there is an electoral college that “gives the edge” to the underpopulated areas?
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: North America
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California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Texas. And yet the other 42 will have 84% of the power of the senate?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.536311a75859
Because each state has 2 Senators.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: 404
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Rural areas deserve more representation. It seems that living in big cities destroys people's ability to think clearly. Constantly on the go and their brains rattled by noise and air pollution causes long term degradation in their thought processes. Rural people who live at a slower pace, breathe clean air, and aren't compromised by noise pollution help keep our country from falling off a cliff. I think the founding fathers understood this.
I partly agree. People are equally stupid everywhere, as any CD thread will show, but farmers are worth more than their individual votes. They feed us. Without food, the vast metropolitan populations can roll over and die. At the start of the nation, the population was more balanced, but mechanization reduced the farming sector and now that is dropping more with farmer suicides, the result of the global economy squeezing them out. As the industrial age and global economy shut down, small farms and more farmhands will eventually reappear and rebalance the population.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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I partly agree. People are equally stupid everywhere, as any CD thread will show, but farmers are worth more than their individual votes. They feed us. Without food, the vast metropolitan populations can roll over and die. At the start of the nation, the population was more balanced, but mechanization reduced the farming sector and now that is dropping more with farmer suicides, the result of the global economy squeezing them out. As the industrial age and global economy shut down, small farms and more farmhands will eventually reappear and rebalance the population.
So votes should be allocated according to the usefulness of one's trade or profession? What do you do for a living?
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Yeah. You Blue Staters may not like it but we count, too.
Sorta pisses you off, doesn't it?
Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and Pennsylvania are blue?
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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no. move if you don't like it
yes.


move if you don't like it.


see what I did there?
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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So you are advocating for disenfranchisement of rural areas?
Advocating proportional power for areas based on population, not arbitrary borders.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:07 PM
 
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My point is that it is an antiquated system.
Perhaps. But the Founding Fathers did recognize that democracies inherently favor urban areas, even representative democracies like ours. They sought a balanced system, which is why we have the Senate and the electoral college. The stress on that system is expressed by the dissension between the two parties, but the Founding Fathers weren't responsible for the formation of the political parties, nor were they responsible for the cap on the number of members of the House of Representatives. That cap does more to distort our system than anything else. And yet people refuse to recognize that the cap is a problem.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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That's how the senate was designed. To give each state equal representation. The House of Representatives affords each state their share of the population.
But it doesnt work out being equal does it ?
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:09 PM
 
Location: 404
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So votes should be allocated according to the usefulness of one's trade or profession?
I avoid "should." Designing a government will have some trial and error and many rounds of debate. With our current system, politicians have power but want money. Corporations have money but want power. Supply and demand. Congressional votes are allocated by corporate cash.
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