Which come first to you? Federal or State? (Ron Paul, Denver, money)
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Your identity is more engaged when you differ than when you are the same. As such, I feel my Pennslyvania upbringing more than being American, because while I'm in California, I'm still in the US, but I'm not still in Pennsylvania.
Being born in those other countries you mentioned still doesn't make you a citizen of them. You can't enter into an agreement by being born within the geographic area claimed by that State.
Being born in those other countries you mentioned still doesn't make you a citizen of them. You can't enter into an agreement by being born within the geographic area claimed by that State.
Legally speaking, this isn't true. You are given citizenship upon birth either based on your parent's citizenship or where you are born. There are international laws governing this (for example, during a flight, if in international waters, which citizenship does the child have).
By definition, a citizen is, "a legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized."
If the state recognizes you as a citizen due to your birth, then you are a citizen until you personally revoke this.
Legally speaking, this isn't true. You are given citizenship upon birth either based on your parent's citizenship or where you are born. There are international laws governing this (for example, during a flight, if in international waters, which citizenship does the child have).
By definition, a citizen is, "a legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized."
If the state recognizes you as a citizen due to your birth, then you are a citizen until you personally revoke this.
I understand legally you are correct.
Logically and morally it's completely incorrect.
I'm saying if I was born in those States that you mentioned I still wouldn't consider myself a citizen of them.
I’m a citizen of my state, but since my state is united with 49 other states to form a union, I am also a citizen of those collected states. I don’t consider myself a citizen of my county or city since those municipalities derive their existence and power from the state. Similarly, the federal government derives its power from the consent of the states. At least that is how its supposed to work.
Local, State, Federal. In that order. That's the way it is supposed to be. I have more influence on the statist governments the closer I am. That is why Globalism won't work.
My township has around 400 households. During presidential election-years, we have maybe 300 votes total cast in our township. In off-years, maybe 200 votes. By sheer numerical ratios, my own vote matters more in matters of our township, than a Congressman's vote would in Congress. And yet, I feel totally powerless in affecting any change in our township. Why? Because I'm the black sheep. My views are inapposite with that of the majority-consensus. The fact that my local government is both close to me, and "small", does nothing for my capacity to influence events. On the other hand, I probably have more in common with voters in central London, in Singapore or even Moscow or Shanghai.
So, with the above, I am (1) foremost a citizen of the world, (2) a citizen of the US, and a distant (3) a "citizen" (resident?) of Ohio, and finally, a most nugatory (4), citizen/resident of my local jurisdiction.
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Originally Posted by CCCyou
If those are so much better - WHY are you still here ?????
There's a middle ground: "those other places" aren't necessarily better in the aggregate, but they are better in some regards, just as they're worse in others. As has been mentioned already, there's a high cost (social, personal, financial,...) to emigrating. One's present place would have to be pretty intensely awful, to justify trying to emigrate.
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Originally Posted by rebeldor
People are never free while under the boot of the State. People who submit to the will of the State and don't understand the concept of liberty will never get the chance to be free.
This is true in all times, for all nations... whether one's nation is a banana-republic, a modern democracy, a tribe in the jungle, or a totalitarian dystopia. If we want to eat, to learn to read, to get medical attention or to have a retirement, we have to "submit" to the will of the community. In the modern world, that community is going to be a sovereign state, with a government and a police-force. Even if we volunteer for a one-way mission to Mars, setting up a new colony, there's going to be a "government" there.
My first allegiance is to the Constitution of the United States and the American rule of law.
Politicians come and go, at both the Federal and State level. I don't always agree with their decisions, but what keeps them in line (at least so far) is the Constitution and the rule of law.
Mine is to myself, my family, and my friends.
The Constitution means nothing to me because I know Natural Law is supreme to laws written by men.
I know the statist mind equates a vagina with some kind of magical portal that renders consent upon exiting but for those of us who are sane...it does not.
So what do you say to someone that thinks like what is quoted below? For me, it is really enlightening, and totally explains all the anti-American sentiment from so many of the Trump Supporters. They really just don't care about America, as long as everything is hunky-dory at their doorsteps.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
Local, State, Federal. In that order. That's the way it is supposed to be. I have more influence on the statist governments the closer I am. That is why Globalism won't work.
A agree with Rosie, assuming we are only responding about the choices given in the OP. Of course, my family comes before all, but I recognize that my family is afforded much safety and opportunity because we live in the greatest country in the world, so from a "citizen" point of view, my highest allegiance is to country.
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Originally Posted by RosieSD
My first allegiance is to the Constitution of the United States and the American rule of law.
Politicians come and go, at both the Federal and State level. I don't always agree with their decisions, but what keeps them in line (at least so far) is the Constitution and the rule of law.
I really don't understand all many of the Trump-supporters hate for our country, although it does help explain their vote.
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