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Rice did not unmask any names. She requested the corresponding agencies for the reports to unmask the names in the reports. Those agencies reviewed the requests and in the cases where names were unmasked, they were.
Rice then disseminated the reports to who she felt needed to see the information. Unless she gave the information to someone without the proper security clearance, all was within the authority of her position as National Security Advisor. Unless someone has more specific information, not speculation, there was no illegal activity on her part.
Any leak needs to be investigated, but before that is done, any speculation is just that.
The charge against Susan Rice is that she deliberately unmasked Trump personnel in classified information.
The YUGE flaw in that argument is that if the personnel were masked in the classified information, then she couldn't possibly know that the masked personnel were Trump's people.
But the conservative propaganda effort is so desperate to crystalize attention upon something other than the problems of the Trump administration, they've finally settled on Susan Rice as the scapegoat of the moment.
Doesn't mean she wasn't looking for them when she found them.
"Consequently, if unmasking was relevant to the Russia investigation, it would have been done by those three agencies. And if it had been critical to know the identities of Americans caught up in other foreign intelligence efforts, the agencies that collect the information and conduct investigations would have unmasked it. Because they are the agencies that collect and refine intelligence ‘products’ for the rest of the ‘intelligence community,’ they are responsible for any unmasking; and they do it under ‘minimization’ standards that FBI Director James Comey, in recent congressional testimony, described as ‘obsessive’ in their determination to protect the identities and privacy of Americans. Understand: There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies. The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it. If Susan Rice was unmasking Americans, it was not to fulfill an intelligence need based on American interests; it was to fulfill a political desire based on Democratic-party interests."
So you agree, all the people calling for the criminal prosecution have absolutely no basis for the charges.
As of right now, there is no direct proof that Susan Rice leaked anything. Obama's recent executive order enables leaking. To hell with the 4th Amendment, right?
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You understand that this nothing more than speculation. That there can't be any mention of Trump else it wouldn't be masked in the first place.
And that it comes from 'I heard from someone that you don't know, and who I can't identify, but trust me....'
Well, there are people reporting it - whether it happened or not.
Are you seriously disputing the notion that the head of the NSA can request evidence based on certain key words?
The names were masked in the first place, because the agency thought there was nothing wrong to begin with.
Rice then disseminated the reports to who she felt needed to see the information. Unless she gave the information to someone without the proper security clearance, all was within the authority of her position as National Security Advisor. Unless someone has more specific information, not speculation, there was no illegal activity on her part.
While we're getting the facts straight then, how about a complete list from Rice of the names she shared the information with, then who those people shared the info with.
Then maybe we can get a list of those in the Intel services who thought politicizing information on Americans caught up in surveillance nets was a good idea.
Sounds reasonable, right?
And while we're trying to get our facts straight, why are our intel services stonewalling the House and Senate investigations?
Rice did not unmask any names. She requested the corresponding agencies for the reports to unmask the names in the reports. Those agencies reviewed the requests and in the cases where names were unmasked, they were.
Rice then disseminated the reports to who she felt needed to see the information. Unless she gave the information to someone without the proper security clearance, all was within the authority of her position as National Security Advisor. Unless someone has more specific information, not speculation, there was no illegal activity on her part.
Any leak needs to be investigated, but before that is done, any speculation is just that.
Calls back & forth between Don Jr. and Kellyanne Conway? Calls between Sessions & Flynn?
Eric and Ivanka? She had them ALL. She had logs to create a detailed spreadsheet of all Trump campaign communications, including private person to person calls, with no foreign intercept.
All Trump communications were spied on. Not just the small amount of foreign contacts. Citizen to Citizen.
The charge against Susan Rice is that she deliberately unmasked Trump personnel in classified information.
The YUGE flaw in that argument is that if the personnel were masked in the classified information, then she couldn't possibly know that the masked personnel were Trump's people.
But the conservative propaganda effort is so desperate to crystalize attention upon something other than the problems of the Trump administration, they've finally settled on Susan Rice as the scapegoat of the moment.
That is not a "yuge" flaw. First many times you can easily guess or at least narrow down who is talking by the context of the conversation and second she could already know because of her position but wanted it official on a document. This doesn't mean I am sure she did something illegal.
As of right now, there is no direct proof that Susan Rice leaked anything. Obama's recent executive order enables leaking. To hell with the 4th Amendment, right?
Take a good look at what you're insinuating above - sharing security reports among various intelligence agencies enables leaking, therefore sharing reports must be prevented.
As I recall, a bunch of Saudi terrorists crashed a number of jet airliners into U.S. targets, partly due to intelligence agencies failing to share security information.
Say it to yourself - sharing is caring. Repeat until it sinks in.
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Well, there are people reporting it - whether it happened or not.
"Reporting"...is that what you think is happening in the Susan Rice scapegoating?
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Are you seriously disputing the notion that the head of the NSA can request evidence based on certain key words?
Are you seriously supporting the notion that masked security reports are tagged with the key word 'TRUMP'?
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The names were masked in the first place, because the agency thought there was nothing wrong to begin with.
The names were masked in the first place, because that's standard procedure when a U.S. citizen wanders into an intelligence investigation focused on the actions of foreign agents.
That is not a "yuge" flaw. First many times you can easily guess or at least narrow down who is talking by the context of the conversation and second she could already know because of her position but wanted it official on a document. This doesn't mean I am sure she did something illegal.
In 2015 the NSA was feeding the Obama administration, private communications between senators, without FISA Warrants, to spy on the mood and chatter before the vote for the UN deal and the Israelis.
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