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View Poll Results: Should we have big brother surveillance?
Yes, we must forego privacy rights in a global society 7 13.73%
No, we shouldn't forego privacy rights as it is a fundamental tenant of Liberty 44 86.27%
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Old 03-24-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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On the way into work the radio had a British official on who noted that the UK hadn't had a terror attack in 4 years and during those 4 years in between British intelligence prevented 13 Islamic terrorist plots within the UK.

In a multicultural society where people freely flow in from parts of the world where extremists who read their holy words literally, is it not necessary to give up some privacy and freedoms to protect the safety of the public from multicultural events?
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Old 03-24-2017, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Some surveillance is necessary, however there is a fine line between legitimate surveillance and intrusion in to the lives of ordinary people and Britain seems to be heading across that line in many respects. The best example of a state where surveillance went too far is Communist East Germany where the hated secret police the Stasi continually engaged in surveillance of the entire population.

As for Britain, new laws allow the Government to not just engagde in mass surveillance but also to record and keep details pf phone calls and internet sites visited and this is is relation to ordinary people and not just those believed to be a threat.

Extreme surveillance' becomes UK law with barely a whimper - Guardian

What is the Investigatory Powers Bill and what does it mean for my privacy? - Telegraph

The UK's Investigatory Powers Act allows the State to tell lies in court - The Register

Investigatory Powers Bill officially passes into law, giving Britain the 'most extreme spying powers ever seen' | The Independent

Investigatory Powers Act goes into force, putting UK citizens under intense new spying regime | The Independent

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Old 03-24-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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BS when the guy shot up the Xmas party everybody asked- WHY did the FBI not know?- where is the intel?- how he do this and nobody knew? --- there are over 2000 threats a DAY... want to cut off your noses to spite your faces-
Today's war is INTEL- CYBER- Communications- media-
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:05 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Our privacy should be protected always. Too many untrustworthy people in positions where their power could easily be misused.

That said, we shouldn't accept terrorism as the "new normal", as someone in Britain said. We should never accept that which is unacceptable.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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BS when the guy shot up the Xmas party everybody asked- WHY did the FBI not know?- where is the intel?- how he do this and nobody knew? --- there are over 2000 threats a DAY... want to cut off your noses to spite your faces-
Today's war is INTEL- CYBER- Communications- media-
It's a fine line, but there has to be some form of protection and rights in relation to the normal law abiding citizen.

Soon the Government will be able to track your movements through CCTV (the lates technology is facial recognition), ALPR (Automatic License Plate Reader/Recognition, Cell/Mobile Phone signals, tablets etc. Whilst vast cross referenced databases, they will be able to look at all your records from education, health, criminal records through to financial and credit cards and employment records, they will hold details of internet sites visited, phone calls made, they may even hold genetic records in the form of DNA but that's okay because it'a all for the public good and to keep us safe.

They can even hack in to our televisions, phones and see our internet webcams and images and hear our conversations.

The spy base where real-life British 'Qs' collaborated with CIA to hack TVs and phones - Telegraph

GCHQ secretly captured images of innocent webcam users - Telegraph

Optic Nerve: millions of Yahoo webcam images intercepted by GCHQ - Guardian

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Half of all American adults are included in databases police use to identify citizens with facial recognition technology, according to new research that raises serious concerns about privacy violations and the widespread use of racially biased surveillance technology.

A report from Georgetown Law’s Center on Privacy and Technology found that more than 117 million adults are captured in a “virtual, perpetual lineup”, which means law enforcement offices across the US can scan their photos and use unregulated software to track law-abiding citizens in government datasets. Numerous major police departments have “real-time face recognition” technology that allows surveillance cameras to scan the faces of pedestrians walking down the street, the report found.

In Maryland, police have been using software to identify faces in protest photos and match them to people with warrants, according to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).The report’s findings, along with revelations from the ACLU on police monitoring in Baltimore, suggest that the technology may be violating the rights of millions of Americans and is disproportionately affecting communities of color, advocates said.

Half of US adults are recorded in police facial recognition databases, study says - The Guardian

Half of US adults captured on facial recognition databases - New York Post

Half of U.S. Adults Are in Police Facial Recognition Networks | US News

Face-recognition software: Is this the end of anonymity for all of us? | The Independent

The rise of CCTV surveillance in the US - BBC News

Police trial facial recognition software that can ID suspects 'in seconds' - Telegraph
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:09 AM
 
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There is no fine line. Once a govt has its foot in the door, you can't keep them out of the house.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:17 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The political culture ushered in by obama has declared the ends justify the means. There are no legislated laws standing in the way of a regime attempting to install a repulsive ideology that would otherwise be rejected if openly presented.


Illegal surveilance is a must, just ask obama and eric holder who okayed and then falsified a warrant which had to be judge shopped before spying on journalists.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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What the East German Secret Police (the Stasi) used to do was to gather as much information on those who didn't comform to society, they were systimatically discredit and fase accusations made about them or those close to them.

The Stasi would follow them, spread rumours about them, turn up at their work place and make accusations, they also faced being bundled in to the back of an undercover van, and taken to the Stasi Headquarters where they were totured and then imprisoned in one of the Stasi's own prisons, where torture and isolation techniques were often used, many were also labelled mentally ill.

The Stasi held vast files on millions of ordinary East Germans, they taped phone conversations, planted listening devices in peoples houses and apartments, took millions of photographs of targets under surveillance, iintercepted all communications such as mail and had numerous informants, so anyone who had a grudge against you could go to the Stasi and give them information about you, even if the information was lies.

Many of the Stasi record still exist today.

Piecing Together the Dark Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police

Stasi Tactics | Max Hertzberg

‘Everything about everyone’: the depth of Stasi surveillance in the GDR.

Germans remember 20 years' access to Stasi archives - DW

Cold and stark, the images of Berlin's former Stasi prison that was once the scene of unimaginable horrors | Daily Mail Online

House of Horror: Inside the Infamous Stasi Prison


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha1jM9HAs6c

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Old 03-24-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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On the way into work the radio had a British official on who noted that the UK hadn't had a terror attack in 4 years and during those 4 years in between British intelligence prevented 13 Islamic terrorist plots within the UK.

In a multicultural society where people freely flow in from parts of the world where extremists who read their holy words literally, is it not necessary to give up some privacy and freedoms to protect the safety of the public from multicultural events?
No. I have lived in various European nations and the level of surveillance in the UK borders on creepy.

When walking around London, look up. You'll see structures everywhere bristling with cameras. There's almost nowhere you can go on main roads in London without being on camera. Same goes for train stations, large stores, museums, government buildings, parks, etc. You're on camera all the time.
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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BS when the guy shot up the Xmas party everybody asked- WHY did the FBI not know?- where is the intel?- how he do this and nobody knew? --- there are over 2000 threats a DAY... want to cut off your noses to spite your faces-
Today's war is INTEL- CYBER- Communications- media-
Because they are collecting too much data. The sheer volume of it almost renders it useless if it's not targeted.
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