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Old 11-08-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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If liberals want everyone taken care of why do they support the mass immigration and overpopulation from cultures of failure? Why do liberals support it in Sweden and other European countries which will collapse their socialist systems? You just can't have open borders to the rest of the world of overpopulation, poverty and failure and take care of everyone. You need a close system of productive people. Population growth does not increase per capita resources. If you spread all the wealth to everyone in the world, who by the way didn't even create it, you end up with everyone being equally poor.

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Old 11-08-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Why should someone who works a 40 hour week not expect to make a living wage?
Define "living wage".

That means food, shelter, and clothes. It does not guarantee tv sets, cell phones, computers, internet, name brand clothes, designer bags, cars, or being able to afford children's needs.

And sorry but working a dead end job making minimum wage doesn't guarantee much of the necessities of life either. You are paid based on your skills and your productivity to the company you work for. You have skills like everyone else and your margins are low then you deserve low pay, because that's what you earn. This inane ideal that simply showing up for a job X hours a week entitles you to anything is something that belongs in bodies of work containing aliens, dragons, and wizards.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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When he is a producer, a taxPAYER, providing the things that a taker who contributes nothing expects to be given. That gives him, and all producers, a right to judge others. If you don't want to be judged for what you consume, start by pulling your own weight.

What is your "fair" portion of what I earn?
This is fine to me for people who don't have the ability to work. That's the fair portion.

But redistribution beyond that promotes lower production levels and harms everyone.

Some people who work and complain about not having enough food, shelter or healthcare, I have observed are just not managing their money. They would like the gov to provide for certain needs so they can spend on other wants. That's where entitlement usually comes in.

They want new cars, smart phones, to go out to eat, etc. Then these wants are "paid for" by getting their needs taken care of outside of their income.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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This is fine to me for people who don't have the ability to work. That's the fair portion.

But redistribution beyond that promotes lower production levels and harms everyone.

Some people who work and complain about not having enough food, shelter or healthcare, I have observed are just not managing their money. They would like the gov to provide for certain needs so they can spend on other wants. That's where entitlement usually comes in.

They want new cars, smart phones, to go out to eat, etc. Then these wants are "paid for" by getting their needs taken care of outside of their income.
Someone who does not have the ability to work through their own choices should not qualify for any type of assistance. That includes single mothers (unless the father to whom they were legally married and living with has died), "addicts", those with health issues traceable to such things as smoking, drinking or drug use. Too many slackers and lazy entitlement-minded are on the public dole.

Those able to work should receive a notice instead of their monthly check - "As of December 1, you are on your own. Good luck and Merry Christmas!"

Hunger and cold are powerful motivators.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Every human on the planet is entitled to food, shelter, and healthcare and I can't imagine why anyone would deny those to any person.

Regarding checks, phones and education, I firmly support the right of representative democracies to offer or deny those as a majority of members/citizens deem appropriate.
So how many homeless do you have living in YOUR house? How many hours a week do you work for free so someone else doesn't have to? Or are you like the rest of the so called social justice warriors and only generous with other peoples money and resources?

No one is entitled to the fruits of someone elses labor.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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So many people these days seem to think everyone is owed a check, a house, food, healthcare, a phone, and college. Can anybody explain why this is? Can anyone explain why a person should receive resources which far exceed their worth to society?
Because being alive is all that is required. Refugees are given full benefits just because they arrived. Congratulations, here is your shopping cart of benefits. That process of giving validates the entitlements that are given out so freely.

Then when the uneducated, 3rd world refugee works harder than the minimum wage worker, then why would a small business need to increase wages to their employees when they can just hire the recent refugee?
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:33 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Why do so many people think they're owed something simply for being alive?

You can blame progressives, it's the only way they can win elections.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Why should someone who works a 40 hour week not expect to make a living wage?
Why should someone expect ANY part of what someone else earns? What makes you think someone working 40 hours a week isn't earning a living wage? Care to take a stab at defining a "living wage"? You think someone working 40 hours a week can't afford to rent a room and buy food?

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Whatever it takes to pay the bills. It's in the Constitution.
You haven't read the Constitution, have you? Cite exactly where it says you are entitled to have someone else pay YOUR bills.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:46 PM
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Every human on the planet is entitled to food, shelter, and healthcare and I can't imagine why anyone would deny those to any person..
and all this time I been paying for it? boy do i feel stupid
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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So how many homeless do you have living in YOUR house? How many hours a week do you work for free so someone else doesn't have to? Or are you like the rest of the so called social justice warriors and only generous with other peoples money and resources?

No one is entitled to the fruits of someone elses labor.
She probably just works, pays taxes, and donates to charities like the rest of us.

Who said we have to give a room to the homeless? How many are YOU housing?
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