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Old 10-20-2014, 04:31 AM
 
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Obama is a highly disingenuous politician, even by politician standards. Imagine if he were not only honest, but transparent and accurate. Would it make a difference for his fan base? Let's look at Obamacare.


1) This means no lying about his own mother losing coverage for preexisting conditions while on her deathbed.

2) This means not continuing the lie about his mother's death to score political points after getting caught in it.

3) This means no flip flops about opposing a mandate.

4) This means that Obama doesn't lie about Obamacare cutting "the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." He says that rates will continue to go up for most Americans and in some states dramatically.

5) This means that Obama doesn't say the broken promise "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American." He got ZERO Republican votes for Obamacare, has he been a better leader he could have gotten a universal plan with all his Democrat votes.

6) This means that Obama admits that the majority (31,000,000) of the non-elderly uninsured, will still be uninsured by 2024.

7) This means that Obama would say Obamacare will reduce employment equivalent to 2,500,000 full time jobs.

8) This means that Obama would not lie and tell the truth that Obamacare will cost the government $2,000,000,000,000 by 2024.

9) Obamacare has had 38 delays - some of them political to ruin transparency before elections.

10) This means the Democrats wouldn't misspell and hyphenate words like "Ne-braska" to make this law less transparent for those doing word searches to understand the bill.

11) This means no lying about keeping your plan if you like it, period.

12) This mean no lying about keeping your doctor, period.

13) This means that the Obamacare website won't be delaying releasing the new costs for a month and a half until after the 2014 elections.

14) This means no lies about Obamacare preventing people from going into debt. Weak coverage and chronic ailments will still drive people in to debt.

What would a typical Obama stump speech about Obamacare sound like? "We will lower the non-elderly uninsured in American by about a third, down to 31,000,000 non-elderly uninsured Americans by 2024. And it will only cost $2 Trillion over that time frame, lost work equivalent to about 2.5 Million full time jobs, and about 1 Trillion in private wages all by 2024. Now, your rates will still go up, you are going to want to read the fine print about premiums, deductibles, co-pays and other fees AND some of you will lose your doctor and your plan - even if you like them."

Would Obama's fans start chanting in unison for this honest stump speech? Would they faint?
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:32 AM
 
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It doesn't fit his character.
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:35 AM
 
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what if all politicians were honest? What if Romney were to release all of his tax records? What if...

Looko like it or not he is going to be president til 2016, all people do is whine and complain here it seems like. With Obama as the centerpeice.

people, he is a president, he has very little actual power, and yet its Obama Obama Obama. Why is that?

What if people started to actual blame those responsible.....
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Obama is a highly disingenuous politician, even by politician standards. Imagine if he were not only honest, but transparent and accurate. Would it make a difference for his fan base? Let's look at Obamacare.


1) This means no lying about his own mother losing coverage for preexisting conditions while on her deathbed.

2) This means not continuing the lie about his mother's death to score political points after getting caught in it.

3) This means no flip flops about opposing a mandate.

4) This means that Obama doesn't lie about Obamacare cutting "the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." He says that rates will continue to go up for most Americans and in some states dramatically.

5) This means that Obama doesn't say the broken promise "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American." He got ZERO Republican votes for Obamacare, has he been a better leader he could have gotten a universal plan with all his Democrat votes.

6) This means that Obama admits that the majority (31,000,000) of the non-elderly uninsured, will still be uninsured by 2024.

7) This means that Obama would say Obamacare will reduce employment equivalent to 2,500,000 full time jobs.

8) This means that Obama would not lie and tell the truth that Obamacare will cost the government $2,000,000,000,000 by 2024.

9) Obamacare has had 38 delays - some of them political to ruin transparency before elections.

10) This means the Democrats wouldn't misspell and hyphenate words like "Ne-braska" to make this law less transparent for those doing word searches to understand the bill.

11) This means no lying about keeping your plan if you like it, period.

12) This mean no lying about keeping your doctor, period.

13) This means that the Obamacare website won't be delaying releasing the new costs for a month and a half until after the 2014 elections.

14) This means no lies about Obamacare preventing people from going into debt. Weak coverage and chronic ailments will still drive people in to debt.

What would a typical Obama stump speech about Obamacare sound like? "We will lower the non-elderly uninsured in American by about a third, down to 31,000,000 non-elderly uninsured Americans by 2024. And it will only cost $2 Trillion over that time frame, lost work equivalent to about 2.5 Million full time jobs, and about 1 Trillion in private wages all by 2024. Now, your rates will still go up, you are going to want to read the fine print about premiums, deductibles, co-pays and other fees AND some of you will lose your doctor and your plan - even if you like them."

Would Obama's fans start chanting in unison for this honest stump speech? Would they faint?



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2. That's racist
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4. But...but...but George W. Bush
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8. Repeat 1,2,3,4,5, 6 and/or 7 as needed then insult the opposition for failing to support this great man, declare victory, and move on
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:37 AM
 
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what if all politicians were honest? What if Romney were to release all of his tax records? What if...

Looko like it or not he is going to be president til 2016, all people do is whine and complain here it seems like. With Obama as the centerpeice.

people, he is a president, he has very little actual power, and yet its Obama Obama Obama. Why is that?

What if people started to actual blame those responsible.....
Why don't you blame Obama for all of his lies, easy to fulfill broken promises etc?

He is not that big of a heart throb, is he?
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Obama is a highly disingenuous politician, even by politician standards. Imagine if he were not only honest, but transparent and accurate. Would it make a difference for his fan base? Let's look at Obamacare.


1) This means no lying about his own mother losing coverage for preexisting conditions while on her deathbed.

2) This means not continuing the lie about his mother's death to score political points after getting caught in it.

3) This means no flip flops about opposing a mandate.

4) This means that Obama doesn't lie about Obamacare cutting "the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." He says that rates will continue to go up for most Americans and in some states dramatically.

5) This means that Obama doesn't say the broken promise "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American." He got ZERO Republican votes for Obamacare, has he been a better leader he could have gotten a universal plan with all his Democrat votes.

6) This means that Obama admits that the majority (31,000,000) of the non-elderly uninsured, will still be uninsured by 2024.

7) This means that Obama would say Obamacare will reduce employment equivalent to 2,500,000 full time jobs.

8) This means that Obama would not lie and tell the truth that Obamacare will cost the government $2,000,000,000,000 by 2024.

9) Obamacare has had 38 delays - some of them political to ruin transparency before elections.

10) This means the Democrats wouldn't misspell and hyphenate words like "Ne-braska" to make this law less transparent for those doing word searches to understand the bill.

11) This means no lying about keeping your plan if you like it, period.

12) This mean no lying about keeping your doctor, period.

13) This means that the Obamacare website won't be delaying releasing the new costs for a month and a half until after the 2014 elections.

14) This means no lies about Obamacare preventing people from going into debt. Weak coverage and chronic ailments will still drive people in to debt.

What would a typical Obama stump speech about Obamacare sound like? "We will lower the non-elderly uninsured in American by about a third, down to 31,000,000 non-elderly uninsured Americans by 2024. And it will only cost $2 Trillion over that time frame, lost work equivalent to about 2.5 Million full time jobs, and about 1 Trillion in private wages all by 2024. Now, your rates will still go up, you are going to want to read the fine print about premiums, deductibles, co-pays and other fees AND some of you will lose your doctor and your plan - even if you like them."

Would Obama's fans start chanting in unison for this honest stump speech? Would they faint?
It would have met we would be better off as a country . He is now a proven liar we can not trust anything he says
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by greywar View Post
what if all politicians were honest? What if Romney were to release all of his tax records? What if...

Looko like it or not he is going to be president til 2016, all people do is whine and complain here it seems like. With Obama as the centerpeice.

people, he is a president, he has very little actual power, and yet its Obama Obama Obama. Why is that?

What if people started to actual blame those responsible.....
Who is responsible for Obamacare?
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Who is responsible for Obamacare?
You should know. Y now it's bushes fault or those tea party folks
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:43 AM
 
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Originally Posted by greywar View Post
what if all politicians were honest? What if Romney were to release all of his tax records? What if...

Looko like it or not he is going to be president til 2016, all people do is whine and complain here it seems like. With Obama as the centerpeice.

people, he is a president, he has very little actual power, and yet its Obama Obama Obama. Why is that?

What if people started to actual blame those responsible.....
In all honesty...

Wouldn't Obama's presidency be better off, if you and the other Obama-fans didn't excuse his every lie, excuse his easy to fulfill broken promises, etc?

You, and other sycophants are why Obama is a failure. He has nothing but negligible pressure from his base to be honest, transparent, effective, etc... And so, he lies, makes excuses, breaks promises, because his base of support will look the other way and accept it.

You can't even hold him responsible for his own lies on Obamacare. Stop ruining America. We can talk Romney if he were presidents and he had legions of sheep making excuses for his every lie and failure.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:02 AM
 
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Who is responsible for Obamacare?
You meant he plan largely based off of a conservative plan by the heritage foundation, then implemented as Romney care, and voted into law by the congress and Senate? Then relabeled Obamacare by the GOP? That plan?
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