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Old 10-20-2014, 05:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Nodpete View Post
There is no way he could be honest, he's a Democrat from Illinois. It's against the law to be a Dem and honest at the same time here.
Not quite right.

It's against the unspoken mob rule here to be honest and in public office.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire, Calif
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If comrade obama was an honest and decent man he would be working in a soup kitchen in Chicago. He would have never been elected to any office without his thuggery and skullduggery...
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Old 10-20-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Who is responsible for Obamacare?
Apparently now everyone who opposed it is responsible for it because "if only the evil GOP/Tea Party/non liberal sycophants didn't get in the way we would have had what we REALLY wanted". Of course the politicians who actually voted for it can't be held responsible, that wouldn't be progressive.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Not quite right.

It's against the unspoken mob rule here to be honest and in public office.
Well said ! I bow !
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Obama is a highly disingenuous politician, even by politician standards. Imagine if he were not only honest, but transparent and accurate.
Then he wouldn't be Obama.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:31 PM
 
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So the qualification for being a "success" is a 100% honest politician?

Yea... to heck with policy or results.
No.

You have extremely poor logical thinking skills if that is your conclusion.


The fact that Obama is extremely disingenuous and you sheep excuse it away - fosters an apathy towards Obama from being genuine. What are the consequences for Obama being disingenuous? Negligible at best criticism from his base, which has mostly followed him lockstep and made excuses for lies, easy to fulfill broken promises, etc...

Obama has had no reason whatsoever to be genuine for the past 6 years or so...now it has caught up to him and the majority of the country sees him as very disingenuous. Only the true believers - their rationality blinded by their unwavering love of Obamamessiah, still hold the childish concept that Hope and Change was real and Obama is a straight shooter. This has hurt his brand, his influence, and his party in the 2014 elections.

Obama has failed - in large part, because his fans make it so easy for him to not fulfill an easy to fulfill promise, to lie, to be disingenuous, and etc...
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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He would be called Conservative.....


He would be getting more respect than he has today. Even from white republicans.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Obama is a highly disingenuous politician, even by politician standards. Imagine if he were not only honest, but transparent and accurate. Would it make a difference for his fan base? Let's look at Obamacare.


1) This means no lying about his own mother losing coverage for preexisting conditions while on her deathbed.

2) This means not continuing the lie about his mother's death to score political points after getting caught in it.

3) This means no flip flops about opposing a mandate.

4) This means that Obama doesn't lie about Obamacare cutting "the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." He says that rates will continue to go up for most Americans and in some states dramatically.

5) This means that Obama doesn't say the broken promise "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American." He got ZERO Republican votes for Obamacare, has he been a better leader he could have gotten a universal plan with all his Democrat votes.

6) This means that Obama admits that the majority (31,000,000) of the non-elderly uninsured, will still be uninsured by 2024.

7) This means that Obama would say Obamacare will reduce employment equivalent to 2,500,000 full time jobs.

8) This means that Obama would not lie and tell the truth that Obamacare will cost the government $2,000,000,000,000 by 2024.

9) Obamacare has had 38 delays - some of them political to ruin transparency before elections.

10) This means the Democrats wouldn't misspell and hyphenate words like "Ne-braska" to make this law less transparent for those doing word searches to understand the bill.

11) This means no lying about keeping your plan if you like it, period.

12) This mean no lying about keeping your doctor, period.

13) This means that the Obamacare website won't be delaying releasing the new costs for a month and a half until after the 2014 elections.

14) This means no lies about Obamacare preventing people from going into debt. Weak coverage and chronic ailments will still drive people in to debt.

What would a typical Obama stump speech about Obamacare sound like? "We will lower the non-elderly uninsured in American by about a third, down to 31,000,000 non-elderly uninsured Americans by 2024. And it will only cost $2 Trillion over that time frame, lost work equivalent to about 2.5 Million full time jobs, and about 1 Trillion in private wages all by 2024. Now, your rates will still go up, you are going to want to read the fine print about premiums, deductibles, co-pays and other fees AND some of you will lose your doctor and your plan - even if you like them."

Would Obama's fans start chanting in unison for this honest stump speech? Would they faint?
Conservatives would dislike President Obama regardless of what he does or says...
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:47 PM
 
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The vast majority of stuff doesn't matter, is taken out of context, is out and out lies, with a small number being actual accurate complaints about him, much of the rest was written by other people, voted by congress and the senate, and the non-stop blaming of Obama is tiresome. Seriously.

Obama not perfect, but scapegoating him over and over and over misses the reality that other people vote this into law. Obamacare is a glaring example of scapegoating someone who implemented a GOP plan that was tested in a GOP state......By someone they keep trying to get to run for president again.



And yes i know I will get countless personal attacks for saying this.



Obamas pushed extremely hard for Obamacare and pressured the Dem holdouts to support it equally as hard.
"A GOP plan that was tested in a GOP state" has nothing whatsoever to do with Dems & Dems only passing it.

That just serves to deflect away from Obama & Co. culpability in the whole mess.
Stating such has no other purpose whatsoever.

I wouldn't call Massachusetts a hotbed of the GOP either.
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Obama is a highly disingenuous politician, even by politician standards. Imagine if he were not only honest, but transparent and accurate. Would it make a difference for his fan base? Let's look at Obamacare.


1) This means no lying about his own mother losing coverage for preexisting conditions while on her deathbed.

2) This means not continuing the lie about his mother's death to score political points after getting caught in it.

3) This means no flip flops about opposing a mandate.

4) This means that Obama doesn't lie about Obamacare cutting "the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." He says that rates will continue to go up for most Americans and in some states dramatically.

5) This means that Obama doesn't say the broken promise "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American." He got ZERO Republican votes for Obamacare, has he been a better leader he could have gotten a universal plan with all his Democrat votes.

6) This means that Obama admits that the majority (31,000,000) of the non-elderly uninsured, will still be uninsured by 2024.

7) This means that Obama would say Obamacare will reduce employment equivalent to 2,500,000 full time jobs.

8) This means that Obama would not lie and tell the truth that Obamacare will cost the government $2,000,000,000,000 by 2024.

9) Obamacare has had 38 delays - some of them political to ruin transparency before elections.

10) This means the Democrats wouldn't misspell and hyphenate words like "Ne-braska" to make this law less transparent for those doing word searches to understand the bill.

11) This means no lying about keeping your plan if you like it, period.

12) This mean no lying about keeping your doctor, period.

13) This means that the Obamacare website won't be delaying releasing the new costs for a month and a half until after the 2014 elections.

14) This means no lies about Obamacare preventing people from going into debt. Weak coverage and chronic ailments will still drive people in to debt.

What would a typical Obama stump speech about Obamacare sound like? "We will lower the non-elderly uninsured in American by about a third, down to 31,000,000 non-elderly uninsured Americans by 2024. And it will only cost $2 Trillion over that time frame, lost work equivalent to about 2.5 Million full time jobs, and about 1 Trillion in private wages all by 2024. Now, your rates will still go up, you are going to want to read the fine print about premiums, deductibles, co-pays and other fees AND some of you will lose your doctor and your plan - even if you like them."

Would Obama's fans start chanting in unison for this honest stump speech? Would they faint?
Are you that naive. All politicians are disingenuous. But it doesn't really matter though because most vote party lines no matter what.
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