Can someone please explain to me how "Conservative" and "Freedom" can be used together? (lobbyist, lobby)
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I take it you are in favor of affirmative action, and I've never understood it's support. From my point of view, hiring minorities shouldn't be a requirement, and honestly, if I was a minority I wouldn't want it to be. Affirmative Action generate the idea that minorities are just a number. 'I need X amount so that's what I'll take.'
Really, employers should just hire the best people for the job. I promise you, if I ever became a business owner, I'd hire the black, gay, Muslim woman before I hired the heterosexual Christian white man in a heartbeat if they were best for the job. Looking at long term affects, how helpful are these social benefits?
As I said in an earlier post, they're short term. The make you feel good, but it's not a real solution. I'll admit some manage to break the system. Some welfare recipients managed to get there way out of poverty, but we've had welfare for a while and the statistics don't suggest any significant changes. Creating dependency is not what you want. I don't object to helping the poor, and I guess I technically wouldn't even object welfare if it was getting substantial results, but that's just it; I want efficiency.
Giving people money doesn't mean they will be able to get out of poverty. Having money and knowing how to manage it are two distinct things. I'm not say all poor people can't handle money, but most poor people are poor for a larger reason: addiction, health problems, gambling problem, poor money management, laziness, social conditioning. Some did just have bad luck but you can't just give them a check and be done with it. As the old saying goes, give a man a fish, he eats for a day; teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time. Welfare is just giving out fish.
I am a business owner and if i have a job in a neighborhood that is poor i will try to find a worker from that neighborhood to work it. Because??? Because they know the area and know people that make the job easier to work and will do better at it. Thats regardless of color... I care less about someones skin color..
Conservatives often speak about wanting their "freedoms." Well, i too am a big advocate of "freedom" yet i consider myself liberal.
Although i haven't checked every thesaurus, i feel confident in saying that "free" is an antonym of "conservative."
Here are some of the freedoms that i cherish as a liberal:
freedom of religion such as Wicca, Muslim, etc
freedom of speech
freedom for women to do what they want with their bodies- including D and Cs (i.e., pregnancy termination)
freedom to use birth control
freedom to engage in prostitution
freedom to marry whomever wants to marry you and vice versa
freedom of information
freedom to put whatever you want in your body such as marijuana
freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
freedom from oppression
freedom of self-protection
And many more . . . .
Most "conservatives" that i know believe in "the freedom of the second amendment," and then maybe half of the list above if lucky.
In other words, most Conservatives do NOT believe in:
freedom of religion such as Wicca, Muslim, etc
freedom for women to do what they want with their bodies- including D and Cs (i.e., pregnancy termination)
freedom to engage in prostitution
freedom to marry whomever wants to marry you and vice versa
freedom to put whatever you want in your body such as marijuana
I'm not trying to insult anyone, but sometimes i feel like "freedom" is code for "likes guns, may have partial paranoia and doesn't want to pay taxes." But this has nothing to do with ACTUAL FREEDOM.
How did ONE issue- pro-guns (and i'm not arguing for or against) become the ONLY issue of freedom.
Again, i am not trying to insult anyone, i just would like to know from all "Conservatives who believe in Freedom," What are the freedoms you believe in besides guns?
How can you even feel comfortable exclaiming that you believe in freedoms when you don't believe in those key freedoms in the second list?
Conservatives often speak about wanting their "freedoms." Well, i too am a big advocate of "freedom" yet i consider myself liberal.
Although i haven't checked every thesaurus, i feel confident in saying that "free" is an antonym of "conservative."
Here are some of the freedoms that i cherish as a liberal:
freedom of religion such as Wicca, Muslim, etc
freedom of speech
freedom for women to do what they want with their bodies- including D and Cs (i.e., pregnancy termination)
freedom to use birth control
freedom to engage in prostitution
freedom to marry whomever wants to marry you and vice versa
freedom of information
freedom to put whatever you want in your body such as marijuana
freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
freedom from oppression
freedom of self-protection
And many more . . . .
Most "conservatives" that i know believe in "the freedom of the second amendment," and then maybe half of the list above if lucky.
In other words, most Conservatives do NOT believe in:
freedom of religion such as Wicca, Muslim, etc
freedom for women to do what they want with their bodies- including D and Cs (i.e., pregnancy termination)
freedom to engage in prostitution
freedom to marry whomever wants to marry you and vice versa
freedom to put whatever you want in your body such as marijuana
I'm not trying to insult anyone, but sometimes i feel like "freedom" is code for "likes guns, may have partial paranoia and doesn't want to pay taxes." But this has nothing to do with ACTUAL FREEDOM.
How did ONE issue- pro-guns (and i'm not arguing for or against) become the ONLY issue of freedom.
Again, i am not trying to insult anyone, i just would like to know from all "Conservatives who believe in Freedom," What are the freedoms you believe in besides guns?
How can you even feel comfortable exclaiming that you believe in freedoms when you don't believe in those key freedoms in the second list?
Thank you for helping me understand.
The only "freedoms" Conservatives believe in are:
1) Freedom to make the rich richer while everyone else goes to hell.
2) Freedom to discriminate, especially against Blacks and Latinos.
3) Freedom to be a bigot.
4) Freedom to perpetuate war and "spread democracy" abroad.
5) Freedom to attack sovereign nations, who pose no imminent threat and have not provoked.
6) Freedom to support Israel unconditionally and their continued intrusion on Arab land.
7) Freedom to tell women what to do with their bodies.
8) Freedom to suppress the vote.
9) Freedom to Gerrymander.
10) Freedom to lie, deceive, and engage freely in deceptive marketing of the Conservative agenda.
11) Freedom to pretend as if Bush didn't happen.
12) Freedom to break Congress.
13) Freedom to corrupt the Supreme Court.
14) Freedom to obstruct the President because he's Black.
15) Freedom to displace American workers with foreign labor to maximize profit.
...and so forth.
The types of "freedoms" they stand for have NEVER been right for this society, even during Slavery times.
Nah, you're looking at everything from a typical biased
I guess I could easily say that all of the liberals I know are faux liberals. They enjoy pretending to be warriors for vulnerable groups in an attempt to look good and call themselves open minded.
The OP is just like so many other liberals partisans, they trot out their weak strawman and and then knock it down. To those people a conservative is just someone who disagrees with them on anything.
Most of the things he listed are local state issues, but he probably thinks the federal government should concern itself with everything and decide all of these for the entire nation.
Constitutional Conservatism is people trying to preserve the freedoms and liberties in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That type of Conservatism is freedom.
1) Freedom to make the rich richer while everyone else goes to hell.
2) Freedom to discriminate, especially against Blacks and Latinos.
3) Freedom to be a bigot.
4) Freedom to perpetuate war and "spread democracy" abroad.
5) Freedom to attack sovereign nations, who pose no imminent threat and have not provoked.
6) Freedom to support Israel unconditionally and their continued intrusion on Arab land.
7) Freedom to tell women what to do with their bodies.
8) Freedom to suppress the vote.
9) Freedom to Gerrymander.
10) Freedom to lie, deceive, and engage freely in deceptive marketing of the Conservative agenda.
11) Freedom to pretend as if Bush didn't happen.
12) Freedom to break Congress.
13) Freedom to corrupt the Supreme Court.
14) Freedom to obstruct the President because he's Black.
15) Freedom to displace American workers with foreign labor to maximize profit.
...and so forth.
The types of "freedoms" they stand for have NEVER been right for this society, even during Slavery times.
So the OPs strawman was not good enough for you, and you had to trot an even more shallow and absurd strawman.
I don't like either the Republican or Democrat party. They are both all about control. What you want if you love liberty and freedom is Libertarian minded people in office. And OP make no mistake, the liberals in Washington are not interested in true freedom...not at all.
Ding ding we have a winner Both parties are the enemy of freedom and as Wilkie said" there is not a dimes difference between either party" The parties care about their power and control.
No, you can't weasel out of it. It was a private business decision made because of pressure from left wing groups. Does the position of CEO of Mozilla have anything whatsoever to do with gay marriage? No, it does not. His political views were entirely irrelevant to his job. Yet liberals protested him having his job because of those political views. That is absolutely an example of liberals wanting to force people to think the way the liberal wants them to think.
Liberal progressives just saw the CEO as 'one of them' and he needed to be punished, that's all. Every time a lib finds out someone else is 'one of them' they set out to destroy their professional careers and private lives.
I don't like either the Republican or Democrat party. They are both all about control. What you want if you love liberty and freedom is Libertarian minded people in office. And OP make no mistake, the liberals in Washington are not interested in true freedom...not at all.
I don't think it's unreasonable to consider some controls on sugar consumption.
What's next?
"You didn't prove that you purchased the requisite amount of broccoli for the year. You are being assessed an additional tax penalty of $5,000. Next year, try to eat healthier."
That's where you're headed with beliefs like the one you published above. THINK about what you're promoting! This is (and has always been) the problem with liberal philosophy. Everything is a knee-jerk reaction with virtually no thought whatsoever put into the longer term ramifications of the policy or what the logical conclusion of a line of action will be.
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Excellent topic
