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Old 06-19-2014, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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The person who who is most responsible for the debacle and omnishambles know as the Iraq War has the audacity to criticize Obama over his actions in Iraq. What is the USA's No. 1 chicken hawk solution to the Iraq fiasco, send more Americans to die in Iraq. Because of his action future generations will be dealing with the mess he created.



Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney: The Collapsing Obama Doctrine - WSJ
Dick Cheney has quite the nerve...
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Obama is and was trying so hard to be the Anti-Bush he has reversed the positive successes that President Bush Accomplished. It was a hard learning curves for all, but we got the area stabilizes.

Obama on the other hand did not measure this and again made a political decision instead of the interest of America. It would not surprise me If Obama will call GW for advise.

As a Result to stabilize world markets and keep the peace we will have to engage once more. This time I hope we charge the Iraqi's the bill!
There were no positive successes. And the American people wanted OUT of Iraq.

And we never had Iraq stabilized. I really don't know where you guys get that from. It was ALWAYS a grenade ready to blow. We were gonna have to leave eventually anyway...And whenever we left all hell was gonna break loose.

Obama didn't start the Iraq War...he was under no obligation to continue keeping us in an intractable war.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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Obama is and was trying so hard to be the Anti-Bush he has reversed the positive successes that President Bush Accomplished.
The only "positive successes Bush accomplished" were getting out of Washington without being charged with war crimes before the whole thing collapsed in Iraq, which was inevitable and a foregone conclusion from the start. That you would use Iraq and success in the same sentence just points out how far removed from reality conservatives are.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama is and was trying so hard to be the Anti-Bush he has reversed the positive successes that President Bush Accomplished. It was a hard learning curves for all, but we got the area stabilizes.

Obama on the other hand did not measure this and again made a political decision instead of the interest of America. It would not surprise me If Obama will call GW for advise
Actually the decision to pull out in 2011 was made by GW. No need for a phone call, since "O" had already taken GWs advice on it.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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General William E. Odom back in 2004...2004! Less than a year into the war. He said this to Katie Couric....



Oh well!
I like that. Even with over whelming facts and interviews from the Generals, Conservatives refuse to comment or admit. No links from them other than Cheney lies.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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I like that. Even with over whelming facts and interviews from the Generals, Conservatives refuse to comment or admit. No links from them other than Cheney lies.
Yeah...because in their minds, Cheney knows more about war and geopolitics than someone like General Odom.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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It's endemic of Iraqis as a whole. The were given the opportunity of a lifetime (literally) when we removed a brutal dictator that had slaughtered 1 million of his own people, fed his opposition through wood chippers and had the country at war with it's neighbors much of his time in power.
No, your invasion ruined Iraq. Because of the United States, Iraq is a failed state. It's not hard to find out pre- and post-invasion statistics regarding unemployment, life expectancy, hours of available electricity, all those statistics that describe what makes a nation. Bush and the Republicans made everything worse. Maybe someday Iraq will recover from what Bush did, but to say killing thousands and making millions homeless provides opportunity for all is just right-wing desperation.

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Yet, in spite of all of that, in spite of the loss of American lives, not to win the war with Iraq (done in 3 weeks) but rather to keep Iraqis from killing each other for the next decade, the people of Iraq STILL couldn't get it together and form a peaceful, stable nation. Instead, they spent much of that time murdering each other.
The ones you didn't get with your cluster bombs and snipers and torturers, you mean.

The way the right pretends they did Iraq a favour disgusts me. I hope someone returns the favour 100 fold upon you so you have some opportunities too.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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No, your invasion ruined Iraq. Because of the United States, Iraq is a failed state. It's not hard to find out pre- and post-invasion statistics regarding unemployment, life expectancy, hours of available electricity, all those statistics that describe what makes a nation. Bush and the Republicans made everything worse. Maybe someday Iraq will recover from what Bush did, but to say killing thousands and making millions homeless provides opportunity for all is just right-wing desperation.



The ones you didn't get with your cluster bombs and snipers and torturers, you mean.

The way the right pretends they did Iraq a favour disgusts me. I hope someone returns the favour 100 fold upon you so you have some opportunities too.
Again, in their minds, the Iraqis were supposed to kiss our asses for a "liberation" they never asked us for.
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Old 06-19-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Obama is and was trying so hard to be the Anti-Bush he has reversed the positive successes that President Bush Accomplished. It was a hard learning curves for all, but we got the area stabilizes.

Obama on the other hand did not measure this and again made a political decision instead of the interest of America. It would not surprise me If Obama will call GW for advise.

As a Result to stabilize world markets and keep the peace we will have to engage once more. This time I hope we charge the Iraqi's the bill!

You're equating stable to an occupying force. Sure- If we want to continue that it will be 'more stable'. However once we leave the region will descend into the quagmire. The U.S. can't 'fix' their long rooted issues.

Let that frickin' country go to hell for all I care. If this 'ISIS' becomes a centralized threat? (a REAL threat to U.S. security)- we bomb them back to the stone age.

Wash, rinse, repeat. I'm tired of us being the 'nation builder' in the armpit of the world. If they do something to us? Ultimate smackdown. No occupation necessary.
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Old 06-19-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Surprising interview from Fox News in the wake of that Op-Ed
https://news.yahoo.com/megyn-kelly-d....tsrc=lgwnthis
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