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Why are people determined to continue corporate welfare with a low minimum wage
It's always entertaining to discover the few remaining leftist fanatics who still believe that "not forcing someone to give even more money to government", is somehow the same thing as "handing them free money".
It's good to be reminded that these people actually believe that all money is government's, and that any money you have left after govt-mandated spending and taxes, is money GOVERNMENT gave YOU.
They are doing that now, so I don't imagine that would stop. But it doesn't make sense that the cost of living would increase, and that more people would keep coming over the border to jobs that probably wouldn't pay more if the legal minimum increased.
You increase the incentive to do it because if minimum wage is $12, they will hire illegals for $9 rather than $6 currently (or whatever it is).. The higher the standard, the more enticing it is to hire an illegal, the more illegals wnat to come here cause its easier to find work, and the more money exits the US economy and goes to Mexico..
Oversimplification never reflects reality. Raising the minimum wage only affects those businesses that actually pay minimum wages to their employees and the the relation between the minimum wage and unemployment is not as simple as most people think. Many low paying service jobs will be there no matter what: someone has to bag your groceries and cut your lawn. You can't simply fire the employees and eliminate these positions.
Thats completely ridiculous. If you think someone who currently makes $12 an hour wont want a pay raise if minimum wage goes up to $12 an hour.. you're kidding yourself.. Thats one of the dumbest things I've heard in my entire life.
Lets deal with reality, not how everyone wants things to be, or how they should be.
1. people making minimum wage are often collecting welfare or food stamps.
2. if a business pays them minimum wage, we subsidize their employees by making up the shortfall.
3. paying people a higher wage will result in them getting off of welfare and food stamps.
Is the debate that 1,2, or 3 are wrong? If not.....why aren't people all for businesses paying more so that we aren't putting people on welfare and food stamps? If a business cannot survive without a government subsidizing their employees, isnt it a good thing that they dont survive?
For a particular brand of conservative political ideology government is not suppose to serve the needs of certain citizens. The government bending over backwards to aid the wealthy and the rich corporations in their minds is what the government is supposed to do.
So they support policies that make it easier for those groups to get insanely wealthy and are angry at the idea of the government addressing/helping the undeserving immoral, lazy, stupid poor people or regular citizens who would use the government to vote themselves freebies and abuse the system.
It is an ugly ideology, but anyone paying attention can read and hear conservative make this case in support of it everyday.
The reality is this for conservatism many Americans don't really count as Americans and therefore shouldn't be helped by their government.
The ultimate compromise that should make most people pretty happy:
1.) Raise the minimum wage
2.) Cut welfare
Help the poor without sending them a check from the federal government, instead they get more dollars for every hour they work.
Yu would need to cut taxes to make it come out same. I don't see any corporate welfare in tax relief also. They basically need to reform tax code ;making it simpler based o income while broadening the tax base. If you raise income 'cut welfare the congress will just spend it on something else; and we have another program that grows unsustainably. No skin in the government spending game is a real problem: IMO.
Stop that BS and high school economics already.
Why would the cost of living skyrocket? The increase of minimum wage only affects those being paid the minimum wage and thats not a huge part of the labor force. Chinese made products still cost the same as the Chinese workers are being paid the same, ship crews make way over the minimum wage, so do truckers in the us. Only the poor store clerk at Walmart would make more. We need to raise the minimum wage to compensate for the out flux of well paying manufacturing jobs that happened in the past 25 years.
Somebody just told you what the rate of unemployment is in Australia, right?
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Originally Posted by pghquest
And if the minimum wage is then $15 an hour, the cost of living skyrockets, and the standard is raised to collect foodstamps goes up to $800 a week, these people STILL collect food stamps, with the only difference is now you have more people not working cause you just shipped more companies overseas, so we are not only paying the same people food stamps, but now there are more of them..
The solution is to reduce the standards to $300 a week, so those with jobs demand higher salaries and you subsidize less..
Last edited by risotto11; 01-31-2014 at 02:34 PM..
For a particular brand of conservative political ideology government is not suppose to serve the needs of certain citizens.
That's much broader issue than political affiliation, most people simply don't give a damn about other people, which for me as a Christian is simply unacceptable.
Thats completely ridiculous. If you think someone who currently makes $12 an hour wont want a pay raise if minimum wage goes up to $12 an hour.. you're kidding yourself.. Thats one of the dumbest things I've heard in my entire life.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's dumb. It may be the other way around
That person that you mentioned, that is making currently $12/hr, may want a raise but it doesn't mean he or she has to get it. You're constantly oversimplifying things.
The title should read why are politicians continuing blah,blah, blah.
Meanwhile MW was never meant to be a living wage.
No? What was it established for, then?
Hear this:
“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country”. - FDR
Still valid even though it was said almost a century ago.
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