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Old 12-06-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Of course you do. You're still dead wrong, though.
Why don't you try telling that to MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen.

"The latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase."

MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen Rips UN IPCC Report: ‘The latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence’ — ‘It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep

 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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Why don't you try telling that to MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen.

"The latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase."

MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen Rips UN IPCC Report: ‘The latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence’ — ‘It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep
I wonder what contortions Richard Lindzen has to go through to reconcile his conservative Creationist religious beliefs with science?

Lindzen is a signatory to the Conservative Christian Cornwall Alliance "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming" which states:

"We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history"

"We call on our fellow Christians to practice creation stewardship out of Biblical conviction, adoration for our Creator, and love for our fellow man—especially the poor.
We call on Christian leaders to understand the truth about climate change and embrace Biblical thinking..."

Cornwall Alliance :: Articles :: Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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I wonder what contortions Richard Lindzen has to use to reconcile his conservative Creationist religious beliefs with science?

Lindzen is a signatory to the Conservative Christian Cornwall Alliance "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming" which states:

"We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history"

"We call on our fellow Christians to practice creation stewardship out of Biblical conviction, adoration for our Creator, and love for our fellow man—especially the poor.
We call on Christian leaders to understand the truth about climate change and embrace Biblical thinking..."

Cornwall Alliance :: Articles :: Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming
So? That means what?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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So? That means what?
It means he probably approaches it from a predestined decision based on his religious beliefs. And thats being nice compared to what other people at MIT have been stating.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:08 PM
 
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It means he probably approaches it from a predestined decision based on his religious beliefs. And thats being nice compared to what other people at MIT have been stating.
Nope, he can have his religious beliefs but can also practice pure science.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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I wonder what contortions Richard Lindzen has to go to to reconcile his Creationist religious beliefs with science?

Lindzen is a signatory to the Conservative Christian Cornwall Alliance "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming" which states:

"We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history"

Cornwall Alliance :: Articles :: Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming
Oh holy crud. That is the most convoluted intermixing of religion and pseudoscience I've seen in a while.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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Bunk. It's been proven wrong over and over.

Try this survey;

It is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus. Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem. The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims.

Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis - Forbes

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by providing a link to an opinion piece in Forbes magazine that misrepresented the original article from the business Journal "Organizational Studies"?

That you are prepared to use lies and misrepresentation to support your opinion? Or that you are too silly not to check the source?

How about the original article?

Sage Journals- Science or Science Fiction? Professionals' Discursive Construction of Climate Change

It was a survey of engineers and geoscientists who worked in petroleum and related industries in Alberta Canada and was published in a Business Journal not a science Journal.

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Old 12-06-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by providing a link to an opinion piece in Forbes magazine that misrepresented the original article from the Journal "Organizational Studies"? That you are prepared to use lies and misrepresentation to support your opinion?

How about the original article?

Science or Science Fiction? Professionals
That's all the warmists have left. Other than the great lie that AGW is, they have to keep perpetrating that lie in order to look less foolish, or so they think.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:21 PM
 
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Nope, he can have his religious beliefs but can also practice pure science.
You're failing at real science if you enter into a study having the result already decided, and then proving that result.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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You're failing at real science if you enter into a study having the result already decided, and then proving that result.
Nothing has been decided other than AGW is bunk.
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