Republicans on food stamps or other aid ..Hypocrites? (school, money, abuse)
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Depends. Saying Obama is the food stamp president doesn't indicate you think food stamps are bad, just that you feel he has damaged the economy.
But really...being against safety nets and then using one...thats hypocritical.
I agree with your 1st point.
However, your 2nd point is not necessarily true. I could think that a safety net is necessary, but it is highly abused as is. Therefore, it wouldn't be hypocritical for me to use it temporarily as appropriate.
Do you think that Republicans on food stamps or other aid/welfare are hypocrites. The Republican party has made it a central issue that "Obama is a food stamp President" and saying similar things.
I recently heard about someone that is supposedly a "hard core Republican" but turns out they receive food stamps..
How is this NOT hypocritical?
I'm so sorry, but I cannot believe people post such jibberish as this....
OK, first of all your generalizing, that all republicans feel the very same way
Second, so, do all liberals feel exactly the same way and agree 100% on every single issue?
Unbelievable...
I believe, and I'm a conservative independent, that sometimes in everyone's life, they have hard times, and maybe need help with food stamps.....but....
there is no reason what so ever to live off of food stamps and welfare for your entire life.....that is what is draining the systems....
but I have no problem if someone needs medical help, or help paying they're bills or buying food....once in a while, but to have lifers on welfare who take advantage of the system is a whole different ball game.
So, you know how many republicans using food stamps?
did they just recently loose their job?
Why did they apply, when did they apply?
Just saying someone is a republican and using food stamps is hypocritical, is just lame
Do you think that Republicans on food stamps or other aid/welfare are hypocrites. The Republican party has made it a central issue that "Obama is a food stamp President" and saying similar things.
I recently heard about someone that is supposedly a "hard core Republican" but turns out they receive food stamps..
How is this NOT hypocritical?
The food stamp program is meant to help those in need,i'm sure people from both sides of the political spectrum can experience poverty,hard times,long term unemployment etc and come to use the food stamp program, the hypocracy comes in when someone whines constantly about the program then uses it when they need it..
Do you think that Republicans on food stamps or other aid/welfare are hypocrites. The Republican party has made it a central issue that "Obama is a food stamp President" and saying similar things.
I recently heard about someone that is supposedly a "hard core Republican" but turns out they receive food stamps..
How is this NOT hypocritical?
no, they are not: what most are saying, is Obama has made it too easy to get government assistance, and the administration is not helping people get off food stamps. There will always be those who need help for a short period of time, for various reasons. People who can really not find a job, people who are truly disabled, (not pretending to be) some kids in college with no funds and no scholarships, etc. That does not mean they have to vote Democrat. I actually knew a guy: well he was a friend of our granddaughter and her husbands, that did have to go on food stamps for a short time while in college. That was about 8 or 10 years ago and yes, he was a Republican.
P.S. I just realized you're calling my 96 year-old grandmother a "leech" - so please, tell us again how you only demonize the lazy ones.
you know very well what he meant!!! Government assistance and dependency is referring to those who are able to work and at an age they can; not people in the last years of their life.
Do you think that Republicans on food stamps or other aid/welfare are hypocrites. The Republican party has made it a central issue that "Obama is a food stamp President" and saying similar things.
I recently heard about someone that is supposedly a "hard core Republican" but turns out they receive food stamps..
How is this NOT hypocritical?
While they may object to the program they are mandated to pay taxes.
If you pay taxes then why not apply to the programs ?
Make taxes optional and then cry hypocrite when they try to apply for programs they don't fund.
If a program like food stamps was discontinued for the legitimate betterment for the financial health of the nation, even a conservative that was using it, would be more likely to say "Well, it's for the better..I'll figure out a way"
The liberals would just scream and cry
"Ask not what you can do for your country...ask what your country can do for you."
Conservatives are not against safety nets, they are against making them a career choice. We have sytem in pace where the incentive is to stay on welfare and that has to change. If for example after 25 years of paying taxes to support other welfare recipients I fall on hard times and need food stamps for a few months is that being a hypocrite? No it isn't becsue that is how welfare should be used. Now if I were to start pumping out kids, wasn't looking for work etc... then you can call me hypocrite.
The bold is the portion in which I find to be silly. There is statistics and evidence that show that the majority of the people on social assistance use it for less than 5 years. There are also statistics that show the average amount of children for a single parent receving aid is 2. That is not "making a career" of the programs or "pumping out kids" to get more money.
That is what is hypocritical to me, that you do not acknowledge that the vast majority of people using food stamps especially are not crooks. You can make excuses for people "down on their luck" that YOU personally know, or that you know are white and conservative, but if they are white and Dem or black or Hispanic or any other demographic who are down on their luck, you would probably label them as leeches.
Someone else mentioned seeing a single mom with five kids using EBT and those threads where you and others complain about "abuse." How do you know if that woman was not actually a victim of domestic violence and escaped an abusive relationship and so has to depend on aid to feed her kids. You never know and the fact that you judge people only based on food stamp use is hypocritical when you make excuses for other food stamp users.
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
And your next argument in good economic times is why are we cutting them with all this tax flow. There is never a good time to make cuts for Democrats.
These were supposed to be temporary increases and it's ballooned how much we are spending by 50%. The reductions are going to take place over a decade. These reductions are mostly going to affect adults with no children.
Do you think that that is okay?? I have mentioned on these forums before, I have an aunt in her 50s who lost her job. She found a new one but only makes about $1000 a month (actually about $800-$900 after taxes). She qualifies for foodstamps and she gets about $135 a month in food stamps. All her kids are grown. She was working class - worked in a factory doing "men's work" for 30 years and raised 3 kids with her ex-husband. At the job she lost, she made $50K per year but now only about $11-$12K. She is black and sometimes takes her grandkids to the store (or farmer's market because they will double her food stamps there and she primarily eats veggies - she's one of those juicing freaks lol - she doesn't have healthcare so juices for all her meals/snacks except one per day. It saves money and since she is uninsured she feels it is better for her health). You would probably think, if she went with 2-3 of them that she is abusing the system because she doesn't dress bad, doesn't look like she is in her 50s and buys her grandkids a piece of candy sometimes with an EBT card.
She may lose her food stamps even though she is really poor and even though she works 30-35 hours per week at a low wage job. She is not lazy and didn't make a life of living off the system. Being judgemental about food stamp/EBT use is silly and is hypocritical.
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee
I'm so sorry, but I cannot believe people post such jibberish as this....
OK, first of all your generalizing, that all republicans feel the very same way
Second, so, do all liberals feel exactly the same way and agree 100% on every single issue?
Unbelievable...
I believe, and I'm a conservative independent, that sometimes in everyone's life, they have hard times, and maybe need help with food stamps.....but....
there is no reason what so ever to live off of food stamps and welfare for your entire life.....that is what is draining the systems....
but I have no problem if someone needs medical help, or help paying they're bills or buying food....once in a while, but to have lifers on welfare who take advantage of the system is a whole different ball game.
So, you know how many republicans using food stamps?
did they just recently loose their job?
Why did they apply, when did they apply?
Just saying someone is a republican and using food stamps is hypocritical, is just lame
No one is on food stamps and welfare their entire lives and the majority of the people on food stamps DO work and have jobs!
I am an independent as well. I don't think all republicans are hypocritical but those that whine about how they are on aid due to Obama, I think are hypocrites. Regardless of what people think, the president does not control everything that goes on in every individual's life in this country. We all fall on hard times - that is my belief as an independent, and we all may need social services aid at some point - that is my belief as an independent. I will not judge someone using an EBT in the store. I don't know their situation. I also know that lifetime welfare use no longer exists. People who continue to claim that it does and then make excuses for other conservatives who are now "forced" to use these programs because of "Obama's policies" are hypocrites plain and simple.
The bold is the portion in which I find to be silly. There is statistics and evidence that show that the majority of the people on social assistance use it for less than 5 years. There are also statistics that show the average amount of children for a single parent receving aid is 2. That is not "making a career" of the programs or "pumping out kids" to get more money.
That is what is hypocritical to me, that you do not acknowledge that the vast majority of people using food stamps especially are not crooks. You can make excuses for people "down on their luck" that YOU personally know, or that you know are white and conservative, but if they are white and Dem or black or Hispanic or any other demographic who are down on their luck, you would probably label them as leeches.
Someone else mentioned seeing a single mom with five kids using EBT and those threads where you and others complain about "abuse." How do you know if that woman was not actually a victim of domestic violence and escaped an abusive relationship and so has to depend on aid to feed her kids. You never know and the fact that you judge people only based on food stamp use is hypocritical when you make excuses for other food stamp users.
Do you think that that is okay?? I have mentioned on these forums before, I have an aunt in her 50s who lost her job. She found a new one but only makes about $1000 a month (actually about $800-$900 after taxes). She qualifies for foodstamps and she gets about $135 a month in food stamps. All her kids are grown. She was working class - worked in a factory doing "men's work" for 30 years and raised 3 kids with her ex-husband. At the job she lost, she made $50K per year but now only about $11-$12K. She is black and sometimes takes her grandkids to the store (or farmer's market because they will double her food stamps there and she primarily eats veggies - she's one of those juicing freaks lol - she doesn't have healthcare so juices for all her meals/snacks except one per day. It saves money and since she is uninsured she feels it is better for her health). You would probably think, if she went with 2-3 of them that she is abusing the system because she doesn't dress bad, doesn't look like she is in her 50s and buys her grandkids a piece of candy sometimes with an EBT card.
She may lose her food stamps even though she is really poor and even though she works 30-35 hours per week at a low wage job. She is not lazy and didn't make a life of living off the system. Being judgemental about food stamp/EBT use is silly and is hypocritical.
No one is on food stamps and welfare their entire lives and the majority of the people on food stamps DO work and have jobs!
I am an independent as well. I don't think all republicans are hypocritical but those that whine about how they are on aid due to Obama, I think are hypocrites. Regardless of what people think, the president does not control everything that goes on in every individual's life in this country. We all fall on hard times - that is my belief as an independent, and we all may need social services aid at some point - that is my belief as an independent. I will not judge someone using an EBT in the store. I don't know their situation. I also know that lifetime welfare use no longer exists. People who continue to claim that it does and then make excuses for other conservatives who are now "forced" to use these programs because of "Obama's policies" are hypocrites plain and simple.
Less than 5 years, really? That is what your saying is short term?
Go on craigslist and search for people selling baby formula, do you know why people sell baby formula? Hint: it is not because they bought it with their own money.
I believe all assistance program should tapper off over time. First 6 months, current level, 6-12 months 5% reduction. 2 years, 15% reduction. 3 years, 25% reduction and 4th year a 35% and 5th a 50% and so on. This should be done for the vast majority of welfar programs.
Encourage people to be self reliant. Dependency is another form of slavery.
I think the mortgage deduction, the dependent deduction, and just about every other individual income tax deduction should go away. But when I complete my tax return, I use every deduction available to me. Am I a hypocrite? I don't think so. I am following the wishes of Congress.
Republicans are not against aid to poor including food stamps. They are against excessive aid.
A Republican using social services is not a hypocrite.
Here's the thing, Republicans go far beyond being "against excessive aid". They call these programs socialist, which they are, but to them socialist equates to evil, satanic, communistic, wicked... And they believe Obama should be impeached and thrown in a gulag for being "a socialist".
DO you see the problem?
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