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Old 11-15-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Republicans are not against welfare programs, we oppose long term welfare as we believe it's wrong for a person to mooch off society and people's hard earned tax dollars because they're too lazy toget a job.

Unfortunately many people have been mislead by liberal propaganda and belive that Conservatives hate poor people.
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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Republicans are not against welfare programs, we oppose long term welfare as we believe it's wrong for a person to mooch off society and people's hard earned tax dollars because they're too lazy toget a job.

Unfortunately many people have been mislead by liberal propaganda and belive that Conservatives hate poor people.
That is a bit of a crock and you know it. The average time a SNAP participant stays on the program is 9 months, yet republicans routinely call these people lazy moochers (and that is when they are being nice). SNAP fraud is around 1.3% vs >10% for Medicare, yet SNAP is the program rife with fraud & abuse, and "must" be shut down .

Republicans blamed poor people for losing their jobs in the recession as if they had control over that.
Republicans oppose section 8 housing despite it having a 10 yr wait list and being primarily composed of seniors.
Republicans oppose unemployment insurance despite the fact that unemployment can only go to people that lose their job through no fault of their own....
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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This is exactly the problem!


Everyone wants to CUT CUT CUT...but nobody wants THEIR programs cut.

For example the mortgage tax break , getting rid of 1031 exchanges, or college grants that benefit the rich and middle class could generate a LOT of money for the government but no politician would get elected saying they want to cut those things.
This, exactly.

It's easier to cut programs that impact people with little to no voice. Despite all of the propaganda to the contrary, the poorest citizens in this country are not regular voters.
And, they certainly don't make campaign contributions.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This, exactly.

It's easier to cut programs that impact people with little to no voice. Despite all of the propaganda to the contrary, the poorest citizens in this country are not regular voters.
And, they certainly don't make campaign contributions.
Im confused, when did my vote become worth more than someone else's?
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This, exactly.

It's easier to cut programs that impact people with little to no voice. Despite all of the propaganda to the contrary, the poorest citizens in this country are not regular voters.
And, they certainly don't make campaign contributions.
Means tested welfare programs cost over $1 trillion dollars and is growing at a 20% annual clip.
There have been no CUTS. But there has been many expansions since 2009.
The temporary ones ended. Those were not CUTS at all; they were EXPIRATIONS of a temporary increase.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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It's bad public policy to reward people with food stamps, welfare, health insurance so much that they don't have an incentive to work...it's actually cruel. I try to vote with the candidate or party that I think is best for the country regardless of whether or not my financial situation is better with one or the other.

By the way, I've never known anyone that wasn't a hypocrite.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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you know very well what he meant!!! Government assistance and dependency is referring to those who are able to work and at an age they can; not people in the last years of their life.
Nope, try again. He specifically replied in regards to "the 41%," saying they were ALL technically leeches - and based on what I know, that percentage includes everyone who is receiving assistance and/or makes too little for federal income taxes. Right? So please explain, how was he NOT including people like my 96yo grandmother in the demonizing?

I think you may have missed my point altogether, no big surprise.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Government aid should be reduced when local metrics indicate long-term dependency. IMO they should be inversely tied to the percentage of 25 year old adults locally with at least a bachelor's degree, as well as inversely tied to the ratio of what the state gets back from the Fed vs what was paid.

Sof if a state gets back 125% of what it pays in FIT, the dependents would get 100/125 (80%) of full benes, and if their college grad rate is 90% US normal, they would get 72% (80% times 90%).

Show you are learning how to fish, you get more.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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No one is on food stamps and welfare their entire lives and the majority of the people on food stamps DO work and have jobs!
are you kidding me? I know of several people during my lifetime that lived, and I do mean, lived off of welfare. We knew a woman, who should have never ever been a parent, lived off of welfare, plus several others.....
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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it's bad public policy to reward people with food stamps, welfare, health insurance so much that they don't have an incentive to work...it's actually cruel. I try to vote with the candidate or party that i think is best for the country regardless of whether or not my financial situation is better with one or the other.

By the way, i've never known anyone that wasn't a hypocrite.
amen!
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