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Old 11-13-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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News for you, Obama is not rich, he's not poor, but he's not rich.
He's richer than 99% of Americans and his Crony Capitalist buddies are wealthy.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So by going to a flat tax from a progressive tax...we will suddenly make wealth inequality better?
Immediately? No. But it most definitely would remove the government's incentive to maintain as wide of an income gap as possible in order to maximize tax revenue. AND more people would take a much more active role in holding politicians and our government accountable because they would have a financial stake in making sure the government cuts back on excess spending, waste, and sweetheart no-bid contracts for their friends.
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Having seen some of the issues from voucher schools I dont buy that at all.
There is no such thing as a voucher school. What a voucher does is enable education money to follow the student to the school they attend. It means those who want to escape abysmally performing schools can do so.
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I agree schools for those who would better make use of them...ie merit schools? might be good.
It would be good, but as I stated in my recent post, actually educating everyone to the best of their ability is against the Democrats' best interest. The DNC knows darn well their largest voter demographic is the undereducated and poor.

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1992 was a long time ago.
Which is why I said "and the books that have followed." Stanley continues his research on the rich, has published more books since then, and posts updates, etc., on his website. His books are available to borrow at libraries. It won't cost you a dime to read them unless you keep them out past their return due date.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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Please. The Koch brothers inherited their money. Soros is rumored to have been born to a wealthy family-but to be honest Im not seeing a ton of factual references to his childhood. Buffet's father was a congressman, and later owned an investment house. nope no money there.

Look you can peddle that fantasy all you want-the reality is that wealth like there takes both hard work, luck, and a good starting base. The ones you mentioned all work hard. But so do millions of Americans. then you need luck. And thats pretty random. And these days...you often need a good starting base. I believe there was a time that all it took was hard work. The later hard work and some luck. But these days? hahaha. no. You take all of these people money away and they will not be among the rich again.

As for the poor? Yes some of them would blow it. These are the typical "I deserve this because I am special people". I have a sister-she'd probably start a lawn mowing company. Another one would invest it and ignore it, I'd do a little of both. But I have some people I know...they'd blow it all.
In the same vein, you could also argue that it takes some luck to be born into an environment that teaches and encourages you to game the system. Many poor are born into that sort of environment, and they spend their lives living at the expense of others.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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So, you think businesses should be allowed to own rivers?
Yes. Businesses usually take very good care of things that they own because they know it's good for business. Just go to Disney World and look around.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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In the same vein, you could also argue that it takes some luck to be born into an environment that teaches and encourages you to game the system. Many poor are born into that sort of environment, and they spend their lives living at the expense of others.
Millions of babies don't even get to be born, so it takes a lot of luck just to be born.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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Yes. Businesses usually take very good care of things that they own because they know it's good for business. Just go to Disney World and look around.
Disney world isn't the same thing as say, a chemical company owning a river. I think a better idea is that the people keep their ownership of rivers and just not let businesses pollute them.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Why does that need to change? Did they steal what they have or something? If it's stolen, then yes something needs to be done about this. If they earned it, it's theirs not anyone else's to worry about. I'm also not sure I want to live in a country that is against gaining wealth. The only way you'll stop this is to steal it from them. You see what you are missing is only the top works hard enough to accumulate this kind of wealth. Why are you blaming them for the rest of the folks who didn't do things like start up Microsoft, invent something, start a chain of businesses, or have the good fortune to have been born to parents who did..etc, etc, ect...? There is nothing stopping you from taking out loans and starting your own business and working it until you succeed. Personally, I'm too lazy to do that so I work a job like most folks but I don't begrudge those who have worked for what they have for what they have. Perhaps they worked harder than me, are smarter than me or are just luckier than me but it's theirs not mine.

I'm not sure who told you life was supposed to be fair but they lied to you.

I really don't care how much wealth the top 1% has. It isn't mine and doesn't affect me. Now if they want to just cut me a check for a million, I'd be ever so grateful......but it is theirs to do with as they wish.
Since at the same time the top 1% accrued exorbitant wealth, the middle class and poor have lost wealth. Perhaps the wealthy billionaires such as the Waltons could pay a livable wage.......... Instead, they are glad that so many people have the attitude you have. Keep waiting for that "trickle down!"

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Yes. Businesses usually take very good care of things that they own because they know it's good for business. Just go to Disney World and look around.
Yeah, because we all know that businesses have never polluted the air, rivers, or land.

Will companies buy our air now too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNyrqYfU45o

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Old 11-13-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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Disney world isn't the same thing as say, a chemical company owning a river. I think a better idea is that the people keep their ownership of rivers and just not let businesses pollute them.
You really believe that Disneyland is different from Lake Erie? LMAO..

I know ...some of these posters think we live inside an Ayn Rand novel.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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So, then...if government didn't interfere at all in business, wages would be much higher for most jobs, especially low end jobs? And thus, the economy and the populace as a whole would be much better off?
Absolutely.

I'm not saying that businesses should have carte blanche to pollute and place employees in harms way.

However, government should have stayed out of the way of wages and benefits.
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