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Old 09-21-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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Australia and NZ have tough gun laws and have for years. They still have guns turning up on the black market and crimes being commited.

And they have FAR less gun than us.
Gun owners really should be responsible and have Safes that are bolted down and can house all their firearms though. There are too many gun owners that don't secure their firearms.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:25 PM
 
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Australia and NZ have tough gun laws and have for years. They still have guns turning up on the black market and crimes being commited.
So does Japan, but Tokyo isn't the equivalent of DC.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:26 PM
 
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So does Japan, but Tokyo isn't the equivalent of DC.
True.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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I agree, but I feel the same exact way about issues like abortion and same sex marriage.
Exactly what does abortion and same sex marriage have to do with our rights spelled out in the big paper?
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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Australia and NZ have tough gun laws and have for years. They still have guns turning up on the black market and crimes being commited.

And they have FAR less gun than us.
Gun owners really should be responsible and have Safes that are bolted down and can house all their firearms though. There are too many gun owners that don't secure their firearms.
And why would I want to lock my gun in a safe at home?

If/When a criminal decides that my home looks right for the pickin and I and my family are there .. Should I ask that he (criminal) wait while I get the gun from my safe?

I have a number of law enforcement friends who do keep their personal weapons in safes but their service piece is always close at hand!

(More looney, PC gun talk)
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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Exactly what does abortion and same sex marriage have to do with our rights spelled out in the big paper?
Nothing. Right to abortion and same sex marriage aren't in the constitution.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Exactly what does abortion and same sex marriage have to do with our rights spelled out in the big paper?
My comment has nothing to do with the Constitution.

I merely oppose, in general, government intervention, intrusion and invasion into the private lives of citizens.

All three issues fall under the same category as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:39 PM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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**** doesn't make sense.

Many murderers who use a gun have purchased guns legally, used someone else's gun, or bought it from the black market. The majority of the time the guns are handguns.

All the gun laws in Chicago and DC don't mean **** if the gangs that make those cities on the top of the charts for violence can easily get guns.

Gun accidents are due to negligence by people who lawfully purchased guns.

The only truly effective gun control methods are metal detectors used in airports and courtrooms.
You forgot stolen from the above-highlighted section.

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Australia and NZ have tough gun laws and have for years. They still have guns turning up on the black market and crimes being commited.

And they have FAR less gun than us.
Gun owners really should be responsible and have Safes that are bolted down and can house all their firearms though. There are too many gun owners that don't secure their firearms.
Australia is smaller than Texas. NZ is smaller than...well, a LOT of U.S. states.

You can not compare these countries - apples and oranges. America is a VERY large landmass, and I sure as heck want my 90lb aunt who is 80 to be able to own any of the guns on the market as she pleases living in the middle of nowhere on acres and acres of land. I also want the females in my life who live in the big inner city to be able to defend themselves as well.

Leave my right to defend me alone; as someone else here said, try to take mine and you will also have a very hard time.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:50 PM
 
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And why would I want to lock my gun in a safe at home?

If/When a criminal decides that my home looks right for the pickin and I and my family are there .. Should I ask that he (criminal) wait while I get the gun from my safe?

I have a number of law enforcement friends who do keep their personal weapons in safes but their service piece is always close at hand!

(More looney, PC gun talk)
I'm not talking about your SD weapon.
I mean if you have multiple weapons that could get stolen during a break-in.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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Australia is smaller than Texas. NZ is smaller than...well, a LOT of U.S. states.

You can not compare these countries - apples and oranges. America is a VERY large landmass, and I sure as heck want my 90lb aunt who is 80 to be able to own any of the guns on the market as she pleases living in the middle of nowhere on acres and acres of land. I also want the females in my life who live in the big inner city to be able to defend themselves as well.

Leave my right to defend me alone; as someone else here said, try to take mine and you will also have a very hard time.
Um...Australia is bigger than the US! The population may be smaller than Texas.
I'm pro-gun bud. I think you misread my post.
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