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Old 08-17-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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If anyone has read my posts, you know that I am fed up with so many threads turning to "gay" rights. But, still, what about the rights of others that are being trampled on? No one wants to make a peep about them because the gay rights activists will attempt to devour them, call them homophobes (fear of gays), say they "hate" gay people or the most insane statement yet, they are closeted gays. So, I came across this article which clearly speaks of the problem and shows it is not about freedom but about the homosexual agenda: Gospel singer: I was I still have freedom of speech last time I checked but I know it is being eroded on a daily basis. The very people who want acceptance try to shut down anyone that doesn't openly support their actions. There is continuing chain of these stories. You cannot force or legislate acceptance. You have to earn acceptance and trying to silence those that make another choice to make yours seem more viable isn't going to earn anything other than hostility.

I wanted to add this article so I am guessing there is a "watchful" eye on him to try to keep him out of the spotlight in any event: Jesusillin: Gay Rights Activists in a Tizzy Over “Formerly-gay” Gospel Singer The article is from 2007. Acceptance? OK, only for what is considered acceptable by those promoting the agenda.
If his choice was just to lie about himself, live in the closet and call himself 'ex-gay', that's certainly his right. He wasn't uninvited from the Civil Rights concert just because he calls himself 'ex-gay', it was because he is outspokenly anti gay. If they found out a performer was an outspoken member of Stormfront, they would have uninvited them for similar reasons. What do you think the concert was about?

Pastor Donnie's 'choice' is to use bully pulpit tactics to vilify and attack gay people and spread ignorant and harmful myths about homosexuality. He has the right to say this crap, but why should gay and lesbian people 'respect' or 'accept' it laying down? Why should they keep quiet and not protest about this sort of crap being flung at them?

How 'tolerant and accepting' are you of the opinions and tactics of these people?


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Old 08-17-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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If anyone has read my posts, you know that I am fed up with so many threads turning to "gay" rights. But, still, what about the rights of others that are being trampled on? No one wants to make a peep about them because the gay rights activists will attempt to devour them, call them homophobes (fear of gays), say they "hate" gay people or the most insane statement yet, they are closeted gays. So, I came across this article which clearly speaks of the problem and shows it is not about freedom but about the homosexual agenda: Gospel singer: I was I still have freedom of speech last time I checked but I know it is being eroded on a daily basis. The very people who want acceptance try to shut down anyone that doesn't openly support their actions. There is continuing chain of these stories. You cannot force or legislate acceptance. You have to earn acceptance and trying to silence those that make another choice to make yours seem more viable isn't going to earn anything other than hostility.

I wanted to add this article so I am guessing there is a "watchful" eye on him to try to keep him out of the spotlight in any event: Jesusillin: Gay Rights Activists in a Tizzy Over “Formerly-gay” Gospel Singer The article is from 2007. Acceptance? OK, only for what is considered acceptable by those promoting the agenda.
Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus International, (the largest 'ex-gay' 'pray away the gay' group) stated last year that 99.9% of Exodus members had not changed their orientation.

Alan Chambers: 99.9% have not experienced a change in their orientation

This year, he closed down Exodus and apologized to gay and lesbian people for all the harm they had caused:
“I am sorry for the pain and hurt that many of you have experienced. I am sorry some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.

“I am sorry I didn’t stand up to people publicly ‘on my side’ who called you names like sodomite—or worse. I am sorry that I, knowing some of you so well, failed to share publicly that the gay and lesbian people I know were every bit as capable of being amazing parents as the straight people that I know. I am sorry that when I celebrated a person coming to Christ and surrendering their sexuality to Him, I callously celebrated the end of relationships that broke your heart. I am sorry I have communicated that you and your families are less than me and mine.

“More than anything, I am sorry that so many have interpreted this religious rejection by Christians as God’s rejection. I am profoundly sorry that many have walked away from their faith and that some have chosen to end their lives.

Read more... Exodus Int
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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Even a study done 2 years ago by Christian researchers showed that sexual orientation doesn't really change. Not surprising that you won't see it on conservative religious anti-gay websites or mentioned by crackpots like NARTH.

“Characteristics of Mixed Orientation Couples: An Empirical Study"

http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/

"While it was not a study of efforts to change, one could reasonably assume that if a group had participants who had shifted orientation very much, then this would be the group. However, that is not what they found"

Christian Psychologist Dr Throckmorton says: "I think evangelicals need to face what evangelical academics are finding in research"

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Old 08-17-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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If anyone has read my posts, you know that I am fed up with so many threads turning to "gay" rights. But, still, what about the rights of others that are being trampled on? No one wants to make a peep about them because the gay rights activists will attempt to devour them, call them homophobes (fear of gays), say they "hate" gay people or the most insane statement yet, they are closeted gays. So, I came across this article which clearly speaks of the problem and shows it is not about freedom but about the homosexual agenda: Gospel singer: I was I still have freedom of speech last time I checked but I know it is being eroded on a daily basis. The very people who want acceptance try to shut down anyone that doesn't openly support their actions. There is continuing chain of these stories. You cannot force or legislate acceptance. You have to earn acceptance and trying to silence those that make another choice to make yours seem more viable isn't going to earn anything other than hostility.

I wanted to add this article so I am guessing there is a "watchful" eye on him to try to keep him out of the spotlight in any event: Jesusillin: Gay Rights Activists in a Tizzy Over “Formerly-gay” Gospel Singer The article is from 2007. Acceptance? OK, only for what is considered acceptable by those promoting the agenda.
I'm not so sure that the singer was removed from the concert schedule for being an ex-gay, that could easily be bogus, you know the media, they like to put a twist on things. Then, it could be true, we don't know.
Whether or not it's true, I think this is part of a broader issue. Yes, the gays tend to be very uppity if one does not openly support them. But why? I think the fire is fueled be people who are openly against them. There are all kinds of people who do legitimately "hate" gays, there are homophobes out there, there are kids in school who bully gay students. And what this creates in the gay community is a whole lot of insecurity. If gays encounter people who are do not support their cause but are still not against it (like yourself), they go into attack mode because they're so used to receiving hate from other people.
I think if the haters (not going to name people, but we know who's responsible) would just learn to oppose gay rights quietly, mind their own business, and worry about their own affairs, instead of bullying gay kids at school and organizing protests at military funerals, the gay community would have a chance to calm down and accept the fact that not everybody is going to be an advocate of their cause. It's not that opponents should be silenced, it's just that they should mind their own business and worry about issues that actually concern them.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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I read a little about 'Pastor' Donnie's claims. Sexual orientation is not 'caused' by childhood sexual abuse.

American Academy of Pediatricians

"there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation."

Sexual Orientation and Adolescents



From the 2009 Wilson and Widom longitudinal study of over 900 people who were sexually abused as children:
"We also found no connections between childhood physical abuse, sexual abuse, or neglect and romantic cohabitation with a same-sex partner.

These results were consistent for men and women and support the conclusions of Bell et al. (1981) that early parenting experiences, positive or negative, play little direct role in the development of sexual orientation"
(Wilson & Widom, 2009)

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