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Old 06-14-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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What makes you think that is a libertarian position? Are you you starting with a straw man?
I went to lp.org. Its makes it clear government's role is to help individuals defend themselves against force and fraud.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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I went to lp.org. Its makes it clear government's role is to help individuals defend themselves against force and fraud.
Can you quote the specific where you determined such so I can ascertain the original context? Quote it, then explain your interpretation.

That way, we can be clear on position here as well as what leads you to your understanding.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Yes, we do need a legal system. They should not, however, spend time, money and effort to try and prevent it from happening in the first place.
I disagree with your statement in bold...

If you see fraud taking root in your neighborhood, you'd try to prevent it from spreading, right? You wouldn't just stand by and let your neighbors "learn a lesson"?

And if government is a tool that can help you to prevent it from spreading, then why not use it?
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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Can you quote the specific where you determined such so I can ascertain the original context? Quote it, then explain your interpretation.

That way, we can be clear on position here as well as what leads you to your understanding.
What is The Libertarian Party? | Libertarian Party
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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You summed it up pretty well. In other words, buyer beware.
Every citizen has an explicit right to be a dumb ass... Pursuit of happiness!
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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I disagree with your statement in bold...

If you see fraud taking root in your neighborhood, you'd try to prevent it from spreading, right? You wouldn't just stand by and let your neighbors "learn a lesson"?

And if government is a tool that can help you to prevent it from spreading, then why not use it?
I absolutely have a social responsibility to prevent it, and I would personally take steps to prevent fraud from happening. The government should not be involved. Government should not be used as a tool. When government is used as a tool, the programs stay in place long after the specific program is no longer needed, draining taxpayer money.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Libertarian beliefs are opposite that of authortarian beliefs.
They believe in limited state, not no state as some seem to think.

The only "free market" I encounter are the deals I make among individuals for service work.
Beyond that one to one dealing there is no "free market" whatsoever.

I can't even sell my extra eggs at Farmer's Markets anymore without having to kow tow to government regulations that kicked in last year.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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An interesting read from Jonah Goldberg on Libertarianism...

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Definitions vary, but broadly speaking, libertarianism is the idea that people should be as free as possible from state coercion so long as they don’t harm anyone. The job of the state is limited to fighting crime, providing for the common defense, and protecting the rights and contracts of citizens. The individual is sovereign; he is the captain of himself.
Freedom: The Unfolding Revolution | National Review Online
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...no ideal libertarian state has ever existed outside a table for one. And no such state will ever exist. But here’s an important caveat: No ideal state of any other kind will be created either. America’s great, but it ain’t perfect.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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An interesting read from Jonah Goldberg on Libertarianism...



Freedom: The Unfolding Revolution | National Review Online
This is what I don't understand, libertarians get upset whenever government tries to regulate an industry, so why is regulating contracts ok, but nothing else?
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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...Government should not be used as a tool...
Absolutely government should be used as a tool. It's there for exactly that reason. Should it be used by one segment of society against another? No, of course not.

However, ALL of society has an interest in preventing fraud. If all of society benefits and only a criminal element suffers, then the government should used for that purpose.
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