Question for libertarians (Obama, myths, financial, examples)
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The only truly new political idea in the last couple thousand years is this libertarian idea, broadly understood. The revolution wrought by John Locke, Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, and the Founding Fathers is the only real revolution going. And it’s still unfolding.
Absolutely government should be used as a tool. It's there for exactly that reason. Should it be used by one segment of society against another? No, of course not.
However, ALL of society has an interest in preventing fraud. If all of society benefits and only a criminal element suffers, then the government should used for that purpose.
When there is a private sector alternative, government should NOT be used. Government action is always less efficient and less easily changed than a private alternative. Government action carries an inherent economic deadweight loss to society. Sometimes it is necessary, but I want to avoid that loss whenever possible.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
Destroyed your own argument and exposed the reason why libertarian ideology wont work in practice, we dotn live in a perfect world.
"destroying your own argument"? What the hell are you talking about? Anyone with half a brain knows that the world isn't black and white. You push for the ideal and settle for whatever compromise you can get. Just because we can't get 100% to the ideal doesn't mean you push more in that direction. Are you really the type of person who thinks "we can't get 100% of the way there, so we shouldn't bother to try"?
No. The reason is that it wouldn't work. Libertarianism is the opposite extreme of Communism. Both sound good on paper, but don't work in the real world.
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Really now? So the housing market didn't crash, as predicted? Jobs aren't continuing to go overseas as our middle class dwindles further, and our manufacturing base further erodes? Our foreign policy wasn't the cause for so much hatred toward the US, and it's endless meddling in the Middle East, and continued nation building? Do you agree with the government's abuse of the Patriot Act, and invading the privacy of our citizens under the guise of catching terrorists? Call me, crazy, but those are quite serious issues that have caused great harm to this nation's economy, and far more important than the silly issues that they use to keep us divided, like gay marriage, abortion, and pitting people against each other because of skin color!!!! But hey, don't let me stop you from continuing to drink that partisan kool aide.
What partisan kool aid? many republicans think he is crazy too. I never claimed Paul was not right on occasion, my point is that the man has made thousands of predictions and you never hear about the failed ones because the media only cares about the right ones.
Why is it the job of the government to protect people from fraud? If you believe that the free-market solves any issue that government might try to intervene, why is fraud separated from that? If I sucker you into a contract, wasn't it your responsibility to know what you were signing in the first place?
Libertarians don't believe what they say. Again, if you for freedom, any central creation of money should be flat out opposed.
Every person should be free to print their own money, which then would have to be valued on the free market in some manner. There are few libertarians that are opposed to governments creating money, but governments being in control of the money supply is a huge source of government power over the economy.
Libertarians don't really care that there are lemon laws, that doctors, lawyers, accountants, all of the various professions that have to be certified by some government agency that allows them to practice their trade.
You don't see libertarians out there yelling about government tyranny of controlling who is a licensed doctor.
That there is a government court system to settle all legal disputes that again places and enormous amount of power in government officials.
Again, libertarians don't believe what they claim to believe.
Much like conservatives libertarians generally don't see all of the government control and intervention that they like as government control and intervention, they pretend that such intervention is natural. LOL
But any government control that helps "poor" people well that is tyranny. LOL
Why is it the job of the government to protect people from fraud? If you believe that the free-market solves any issue that government might try to intervene, why is fraud separated from that? If I sucker you into a contract, wasn't it your responsibility to know what you were signing in the first place?
Libertarians don't believe what they say. Again, if you for freedom, any central creation of money should be flat out opposed.
An argument that purports to tell others what they must believe is always a failed argument.
Does everyone of any belief believe things 100% the same?
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