Question for libertarians (Brown, revolution, party, programs)
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I went to the website and it makes it clear, government's only role is to help individuals against force and fraud. If you get frauded, why should the government help you?
You went to what website? Libertarianism is a philosophy. There is no official website, there are only websites offering opinions.
Did you even read my answer? I said the government should not help you. Please actually read what I wrote before responding again.
Speaking not as a Libertarian, but as someone who is intrigued by the idea, I think many Libertarians would say that one of the few powers a legitimate government should have is the right to protect citizens from violence and theft.
I think a distinction needs to be made between poor service ("That pizza was terrible") and fraud ("I paid for a pizza, but you took my money and moved to Mexico.") In most cases of poor service, the business owner solves the problem or faces the judgment of the marketplace (bad online reviews, profit loss, etc.) It's in the owner's best interest, generally speaking, to improve service/products or "perish."
Fraud is not simply poor service, but rather a type of theft, and if the two parties involved can't come to a satisfactory agreement, a third party might sometimes be needed to determine if the terms of the contract are being upheld.
If you get frauded, why should the government help you?
"Frauded"???
Hmm. Well, based on the premise of the OP and the above quote, I'd say that someone needs some more learnin' before trying to play "gotcha" games on the interwebs.
Why is it the job of the government to protect people from fraud? If you believe that the free-market solves any issue that government might try to intervene, why is fraud separated from that? If I sucker you into a contract, wasn't it your responsibility to know what you were signing in the first place?
We can have a legal system that's separate from government. Fraud shouldn't be treated differently than any other crime in a libertarian society.
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Originally Posted by nighttrain55
I went to lp.org. Libertarians always tell me to read their platform, so I did. You say they shouldn't, but on lp.org, its says they should.
A lot of libertarians think the Libertarian Party is a joke. I mean, I wish them well but they don't speak for everyone.
Speaking not as a Libertarian, but as someone who is intrigued by the idea, I think many Libertarians would say that one of the few powers a legitimate government should have is the right to protect citizens from violence and theft.
I think a distinction needs to be made between poor service ("That pizza was terrible") and fraud ("I paid for a pizza, but you took my money and moved to Mexico.") In most cases of poor service, the business owner solves the problem or faces the judgment of the marketplace (bad online reviews, profit loss, etc.) It's in the owner's best interest, generally speaking, to improve service/products or "perish."
Fraud is not simply poor service, but rather a type of theft, and if the two parties involved can't come to a satisfactory agreement, a third party might sometimes be needed to determine if the terms of the contract are being upheld.
why should the government be involved as the third party. according to libertarian talking points, everything is best solved to the people, why should the government step in? They only get in the way, and screw things up.
Why is it the job of the government to protect people from fraud? If you believe that the free-market solves any issue that government might try to intervene, why is fraud separated from that? If I sucker you into a contract, wasn't it your responsibility to know what you were signing in the first place?
What makes you think that is a libertarian position? Are you you starting with a straw man?
I went to lp.org. Libertarians always tell me to read their platform, so I did. You say they shouldn't, but on lp.org, its says they should.
And I disagreed. See how that works? Additionally, if you actually read the platform from that site, you would have your answer. There is libertarianism as an ideal which states how I have answered, and then there is the parties platform, which seeks to provide a realistic solution that is implementable in today's society. No implementable solution will come to pass if it says government does not protect against fraud, which is why it appears in a platform. The world isn't black and white, compromises have to be made, and the platform on lp.org reflects that realization.
What is your point behind this thread? Do you want to have a conversation or are you looking for a way to backhandedly insult libertarian viewpoints?
Hmm. Well, based on the premise of the OP and the above quote, I'd say that someone needs some more learnin' before trying to play "gotcha" games on the interwebs.
I'm well aware frauded is not real word, and quit ignoring my overall point, why should the government intervene?
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