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Old 06-13-2013, 11:05 PM
 
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BS law and a huge invasion of privacy, there is no need for it because they can get these records from the phone company. Matter of fact I would imagine they are going to have to anyway.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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Sounds good to me, go for it.
Specifically what sounds good about it? Why are you so willing to give up your rights?

This will not prevent accidents and will not do anything to help convict anyone, they already have the means to determine if you were using the phone. The only thing this law can do is provide the police with an opportunity to go on a fishing expedition.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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Isn't it a lot easier to bust someone for putting makeup on in the car? Or is that not distracting?
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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This law does absolutely nothing to save lives or to address problems related to distracted driving.
It's just more Gestapo tactics by the NJ police. More power for the fat man & his girlfriend Obama. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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What if a passenger was using it? Hrm, guess they didn't think that far (no surprise there).
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:21 AM
 
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What if a passenger was using it? Hrm, guess they didn't think that far (no surprise there).
LOLlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllll you just caused an idea to pop in to my head. Buy a $20 prepay phone and use it as a decoy.

TMobile has a plan that is $2 a day only on the days you use it. This bill has more holes than Spongebob.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:38 AM
 
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Specifically what sounds good about it? Why are you so willing to give up your rights?

This will not prevent accidents and will not do anything to help convict anyone, they already have the means to determine if you were using the phone. The only thing this law can do is provide the police with an opportunity to go on a fishing expedition.
, What sounds good about it?Getting people who text their way right into a collision/accident to have some accountability for their actions and maybe through reading the phone records immediately the cop can dispense with much unnecessary bureaucracy and paperwork if it can be proven right at the scene that a distracted driver on a phone phone wasnt a contributing factor.. sounds like a good law to me.. As for whether it will prevent accidents? if penalties for causing an accident due to inattention due to phone use are severe enough maybe some will think twice before texting and driving and maybe that some one wont drive into my car. I dont look at it as a case of giving up a right but more about giving the cops another tool to use in an accident to bring those responsible to justice.
How would you deal with the problem of drivers texting while driving as it sounds as if the general consensus of the replies is to have no laws or legal consequences for texting drivers ?
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:46 AM
 
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, What sounds good about it?Getting people who text their way right into a collision/accident to have some accountability for their actions and maybe through reading the phone records immediately the cop can dispense with much unnecessary bureaucracy and paperwork
So is searching your house or your computer without a warrant. Do you support that or only more "modest" invasions of your rights?

Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:53 AM
 
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Surrender cell phone? More like contact the NSA to look at your phone record...
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Without a warrant? Besides, this isn't just a 4th Amendment issue. It's a 5th. What if you have a password on your phone? Or face recognition lock? What if there is something illegal on the phone and by unlocking it it tends to incriminate you?

You're not getting to my phone data without me unlocking it and I'm not going to do that no matter what.
Ermm...

Two Cases' Lessons: If Cops Don't Know What You Encrypted, They Can't Make You Decrypt It - Forbes


Those two cases may seem on the surface like mere judicial confusion and contradiction. But the real difference between them, says Electronic Frontier Foundation attorney Hanni Fakhoury, is what investigators expected to find on those scrambled hard drives. Fakhoury cautions that the details of every case are different, but that broadly speaking, “if the government knows what they’re going to find, they have no problem,” he says. “If they don’t, they can’t make you decrypt anything.”
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