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Old 05-27-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: miami, fla. enjoying the relative cool, for now ;)
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Did'nt bush adminstration do the same thing to the NAACP when he was in office?

IRS targeted NAACP in 2004 - Kelsey Snell - POLITICO.com

Apparently many of the same things that happened under bush (unmentioned) is being blown up under obama
wasn't bush done two election cycles ago?
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Makes sense to me
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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No what I'm saying is that obama and his cronies are doing pretty much the same things that bush did, it is just many people do not want to see/accept it
When you prove that you will have a point.

Also even if you could, one doing wrong does not excuse someone else from doing it.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Seriously, why? Outside of the fact that the IRS was unfairly targeting Tea Party groups and Tea Party groups generally oppose Obama, there doesn't appear to be any linkage between the two. If there is, hopefully it's discovered, but there really isn't a reason to believe so.

But it's more fun when everything is Obama's fault, right?
People are not blaming him, where are you getting that information.: People are asking what happened and did the White House know about this? Do you think the public has a right to expect answers to these questions? Do they deserve to know if the White House had any connections with what happened? That is all most Americans what to know. You do not know, nor do I if there is any connection. There is the old theory, if the team losses the blames is handed to the coach.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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Seriously, why? Outside of the fact that the IRS was unfairly targeting Tea Party groups and Tea Party groups generally oppose Obama, there doesn't appear to be any linkage between the two. If there is, hopefully it's discovered, but there really isn't a reason to believe so.

But it's more fun when everything is Obama's fault, right?
This has been discussed, many times. The simple fact is Obama is the President of the United States. If you will, the CEO of the country. As such, he is ULTIMATELY responsible for every federal agency there is. Its like the CEO of Yahoo, or Apple, or any other company. Its the like the Chief of Police or Sheriff. They are ultimately responsible for the conduct and activities of their officers/employee's. Obama is responsible for what occurred within the IRS.

Obama wanted to the the president. He signed on the dotted line. He has to take the good with the bad. Sweet with the sour. The IRS Scandal is a sour.

He sure didn't mind taking most of, if not ALL of the credit for killing Osama Bin Laden, now didn't he? Yet we know now the wheel's were in motion to kill OBL, LONG before Obama became president.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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The SC ruling was not in effect either. That is is really the big difference. Since that assinine ruling the political donations have been massive on both sides and for the most part untraceable
Uh, maybe you should look into ActBlue...

You can find them here:

https://secure.actblue.com/about

You can find out what sort of activities they take part in here:

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Launched in 2004, ActBlue bills itself as “the online clearinghouse for Democratic action.” As a federally registered political action committee, it serves as a conduit for online contributions to Democratic candidates and committees. That is, ActBlue bundles and transmits earmarked contributions from individuals raised on their website to specific candidates.

The organization assists Democratic candidates and committees of all ideological persuasion, helping moderates and liberals alike. Through mid-2010, it has helped funnel more than $134 million -- and counting -- in contributions. Because much of that money comes in donations below the $200 threshold for itemized disclosure, the total amount given by donors via ActBlue is considerably greater than the totals listed below, which are based on FEC filings of candidates and committees that receive this money. The group also maintains a 527 political organization registered with the Internal Revenue Service for non-federal political activities, and ActBlue has registered as a political committee in more than 20 states for its state-level activities. It does not lobby the federal government.
ActBlue: Summary | OpenSecrets

ActBlue: Summary | OpenSecrets

You might notice not a single contribution went to republicans and I highlighted the most important part.

They're #1 on the Heavy Hitters list:

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1ActBlue$87,402,36999%0%
2American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees$55,379,19182%1%
3National Education Assn$51,665,71562%4%
4AT&T Inc$51,235,96743%56%
5National Assn of Realtors$47,702,61444%46%
6Goldman Sachs$42,833,60054%42%
7United Auto Workers$40,733,58970%0%
8Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers$39,420,93791%2%
9American Assn for Justice$38,976,78085%7%
10Service Employees International Union$36,298,20283%2%
Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets

So, as you can see, yet again, liberals have selective outrage going on. Hopefully I don't need to explain what the blue jack-asses mean.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Makes sense to me
That's because you like acting like a political hack and can't stand to play on a level field.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Seriously, why? Outside of the fact that the IRS was unfairly targeting Tea Party groups and Tea Party groups generally oppose Obama, there doesn't appear to be any linkage between the two. If there is, hopefully it's discovered, but there really isn't a reason to believe so.

But it's more fun when everything is Obama's fault, right?
To believe that he had zero knowledge of anything happening below him is a gullable position. Being ignorant of the facts is not, and should never be, a viable excuse. If he knew nothing, he should have had better people in place, making it his fault ultimately. If he knew what was going on, he and everyone below him should be brought before Senate hearings, just as Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton were.

Either way, the government is broken and is still being run by crooks.

--The IRS is easy to demonize, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. It got its heading from a president, and his party, who did in fact send it orders—openly, for the world to see. In his Tuesday press grilling, no question agitated White House Press Secretary Jay Carney more than the one that got to the heart of the matter: Given the president's "animosity" toward Citizens United, might he have "appreciated or wanted the IRS to be looking and scrutinizing those . . ." Mr. Carney cut off the reporter with "That's a preposterous assertion."

Preposterous because, according to Mr. Obama, he is "outraged" and "angry" that the IRS looked into the very groups and individuals that he spent years claiming were shady, undemocratic, even lawbreaking. After all, he expects the IRS to "operate with absolute integrity." Even when he does not. --Strassel


Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top - WSJ.com

This is a great article on the IRS scandal, and how to wake up those critical thinking skills.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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The SC ruling was not in effect either. That is is really the big difference. Since that assinine ruling the political donations have been massive on both sides and for the most part untraceable
And before that they were only massive and untraceable and going mostly to democrats.

Sucks having to play on a level field, huh? At least now we know why democrats hate that ruling so much.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Who is the president? Who ran on a campaign to end past corruptions and have transparency? His admin seems to be involved in a new scandal every week. EPA releasing confidential information to environmental activists. Libya, the IRS, fast and furious. I mean it is like every week it is something else.
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