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Old 04-06-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Iraq War Veteran Tomas Young joined the Army because our country had been attacked. He wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of his fellow citizens. He did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States.

He was paralyzed in an insurgent ambush in 2004 in Sadr City. His life is coming to an end and he is living under hospice care.

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I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.
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I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned.
Dying Iraq War Veteran Writes Last Letter To Bush And Cheney

4,488 soldiers and Marines died in Iraq.

 
Old 04-06-2013, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm. Does the word "sequester" ring a bell?

P.S. When you join the military, you don't get to pick and choose your battles. Congress does that for you. Not Bush. Not Cheney. Congress does.

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Old 04-06-2013, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Congress did not start the war, Bush started the war, as only he had the authority to do (which he constantly reminded everyone of in 2002.)
 
Old 04-06-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Congress did not start the war, Bush started the war.
Bush started the war with Congressional approval, and Congressional funding.
 
Old 04-06-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Bush started the war with Congressional approval, and Congressional funding.
He made clear he was starting the war with or without Congress, as did his father in 1991.

Yes, Congress should've refused to vote an authorization and refused funding, but that does not alter the fact that only one person had the authority to order the guns to fire and the bombs to drop.
 
Old 04-06-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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He made clear he was starting the war with or without Congress, as did his father in 1991.

Yes, Congress should've refused to vote an authorization and refused funding, but that does not alter the fact that only one person had the authority to order the guns to fire and the bombs to drop.
He doesnt have the authorization to start a long term year war withing Congressional authority. Educate yourself better..

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Old 04-06-2013, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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He doesnt have the authorization to start a long term year war withing Congressional authority. Educate yourself better.
He certainly believed he did. And if he'd ordered it without an authorization vote, as he often threatened to do, and as Bush 41 promised to do in 1991--would you expect the troops to mutiny en masse? Didn't think so.
 
Old 04-06-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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He certainly believed he did. And if he'd ordered it without an authorization vote, as he often threatened to do, and as Bush 41 promised to do in 1991--would you expect the troops to mutiny en masse? Didn't think so.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....blah blah. Doesn't change the facts.
 
Old 04-06-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....blah blah. Doesn't change the facts.
Yes, and the relevant fact here is that George W. Bush launched a war of aggression against Iraq, a war which undercut American security while also destroying the lives of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

"Congress made me do it!" is not an excuse Bush is craven enough to offer on his own behalf, and I therefore feel justified in rejecting it when made by others.
 
Old 04-06-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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It was an immoral war. Sorry this young guy chose to do so like so many youngesters did after 9-11, but it's the way it is. I'll pray for him.

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Ummmmmmmmmmmmm. Does the word "sequester" ring a bell?

P.S. When you join the military, you don't get to pick and choose your battles. Congress does that for you. Not Bush. Not Cheney. Congress does.


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This. You sign up, you lose a significant amount of rights. Kid should have had better guidance from his parents. I feel very bad for him though.
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