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Old 03-13-2013, 05:51 AM
 
Location: EPWV
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It's a city ordinance.

IMHO, I don't see the harm in it, just fly the stars and stripes above the Irish flag.
Good point, or right next to it. I included the link, in case my picture copy/paste effort failed.

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The Irish flag next to the American one has been flying for as long as I can remember and if there was an issue with it flying, it would most likely have been addressed by now.

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Old 03-13-2013, 07:14 AM
 
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Funny. In most of these cases where someone will post that someone is being stopped from flying "the flag" we learn that it's part of an overall scheme prohibiting all kinds of flags and signs or something like that.

Here we have a specific prohibition of speech based on the content of that speech. This is clearly unconstitutional.

All you conservatives who are saying that this prohibition is wrong, would you support the ACLU if they take the bar owner's case and sue the city?
It's actually not unconstitutional. Flags and banners can be regulated just like any other signage. It is something that draws attention to and often advertises a businesses and case law treats it as such. Where the town may run afoul, and I don't know Florida's statutes, is that they ban all flags except the American flag. Here in my state the town could ban all flags or regulate the size of the flags and the number allowed, but they can't regulate the content of the flag so long as it conforms to local obscenity laws.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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It's actually not unconstitutional. Flags and banners can be regulated just like any other signage. It is something that draws attention to and often advertises a businesses and case law treats it as such. Where the town may run afoul, and I don't know Florida's statutes, is that they ban all flags except the American flag. Here in my state the town could ban all flags or regulate the size of the flags and the number allowed, but they can't regulate the content of the flag so long as it conforms to local obscenity laws.
You see, you totally missed my point.

You're absolutely correct that content-neutral regulation of signs and banners is not unconstitutional.

What is unconstitutional, and what I said, is to regulate signs, banners, and other types of speech based on the content of the speech. This is exactly what the ordinance in question does. Hence, it is unconstitutional.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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Haven't you heard? White is right.
Uh; Arabs and Iranians ARE "white" and many Hispanics are too. Not all of us are pasty in color. Sheesh!
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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... in Atlantic Beach, Florida. A local ordinance prohibits the commercial display of any flag except the Star-Spangled Banner.

Culhane's Irish Pub Atlantic Beach: Popular Florida bar forced to stop flying Irish flag days before St Patrick's Day | Mail Online

Should governments have the right to prohibit the display of foreign flags?
I have no problem with Irish Flags, Mexican Flags, German Flags . . and especially Black Flag (the band) :^D
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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welcome to the PC nation of the USA. the way that liberals want the government.
The fountainhead of doublespeak, the "voice of treason", has emerged from his cave to spout more idiocy.

It will likely be the "liberals" and the ACLU who will represent the bar in its successful challenge to this blatantly unconstitutional ordinance.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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Uh; Arabs and Iranians ARE "white" and many Hispanics are too. Not all of us are pasty in color. Sheesh!

No crap. I should've been specific, Anglo American White is right.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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the first example and the inspiration for the stars and stripes comes from a small town in middle england- Selby
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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welcome to the PC nation of the USA. the way that liberals want the government.
Yeah, right. If this were a mexican bar & they had the mexican flag flying, you'd be all up in arms. Those damn immigrants!!! How dare they fly the mexican flag instead of our flag.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I think it the height of bad taste and an expression of ingratitude to fly another flag unless the American flag flies above it, but I can't abide making it illegal.
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