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Old 02-14-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Sorry, that is for DC, not the rest of the states. Federal law does not trump state law.
Are you seriously that uneducated? That doesn't apply to DC, it's a Supreme Court ruling. It's only listed as DC because that's who asked the Court for Certiorari. Supreme Court decisions are binding on the entire country. That's how Constitutional law works. The 2nd Amendment was already incorporated to the States.

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The 2nd amendment is not incorporated and therefore is not transferable to the states.
It is incorporated. See McDonald v. Chicago.

You really need to stop discussing this as you don't even know how our legal system works.


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Read up on incorporation and see what amendments have been incorporated. The 2nd amendment isn't there.
Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amendment II
Right to keep and bear arms

This right has been incorporated against the states. See McDonald v. Chicago (2010).
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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Introducing legislation isn't the same as a law being passed. People would be amazed at the goofy proposed legislation these folks try to get passed. Anyway, Missouri? The "I'm stubborn state" turning in their weapons? Good luck with that.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:29 PM
 
Location: MS
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An ASSAULT weapon.

Are you hunting white tail deer with an AK47?
It is legal in most places. The 7.62x39 cartridge is equivalent to a .30-30.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: MS
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And that right still exists. It just isn't unlimited like you want it to be. But guess what. No Constitutional Amendment is unlimited, not even the 1st.
The 1st is completely unlimited. You can even bring up the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" argument. Nothing stops me from doing that. No one has gone into my brain and burned out part of it that controls speech. But if I do abuse that right of free speech, then I must pay the consequences. It could be as simple as being thrown out because I bothered the other attendees. I could be ticketed for disturbing the peace. If the crowd runs out and people are injured, then I am held responsible based on said injuries.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Are you seriously that uneducated? That doesn't apply to DC, it's a Supreme Court ruling. It's only listed as DC because that's who asked the Court for Certiorari. Supreme Court decisions are binding on the entire country. That's how Constitutional law works. The 2nd Amendment was already incorporated to the States.

It is incorporated. See McDonald v. Chicago.

You really need to stop discussing this as you don't even know how our legal system works.



Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amendment II
Right to keep and bear arms

This right has been incorporated against the states. See McDonald v. Chicago (2010).
Sorry Fiyero, I stand corrected.

You are correct, it was incorporated with that case.

Looks like we are exactly what the founders didn't want, a country ruled by a single government with the full powers to control, dictate and regulate being in the hands of a strong and powerful central government.

Enjoy everyone! You made the bed, sleep in it.

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Old 02-14-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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What in the hell are natural rights?
You will naturally find out what they are if you try to take them away.

You have a natural right to life, which naturally implies the right to defend your life. Self defense has always been considered a natural right ... except to the modern left wing nitwit society who don't believe anyone has any rights at all, except for a few, like gay marriage, and the right to kill babies.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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The 1st is completely unlimited. You can even bring up the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" argument. Nothing stops me from doing that.
The first is not unlimited. Yelling fire is not legally protected and you can be arrested for it, thus you have no Free Speech in that case. In order for it to be free, there can't be consequences to saying it.

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No one has gone into my brain and burned out part of it that controls speech. But if I do abuse that right of free speech, then I must pay the consequences. It could be as simple as being thrown out because I bothered the other attendees. I could be ticketed for disturbing the peace. If the crowd runs out and people are injured, then I am held responsible based on said injuries.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the 1st Amendment. Freedom of Speech means you are free to express your opinions without persecution from the local, state, or federal government. But that speech is not unlimited, because not all forms of speech are protected. Inciting violence is not protected.

By your ridiculous logic, there is no law against murder since you can go out and kill someone any time you want.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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An ASSAULT weapon.

Are you hunting white tail deer with an AK47?
The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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An ASSAULT weapon.

Are you hunting white tail deer with an AK47?

who decides what is an "assault" weapon? You outlaw "assault" weapons and pretty soon that 100 year old bolt action rifle is going to be an "assault" weapon. I've seen idiots in the media and politicians call hollow point bullets "assault" bullets recently. The very same type of bullets used by EVERY single police department in this country, federal included. The idiocy knows no bounds. You start the slope now, it's a long slippery ride down to the bottom.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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Minnesota has put up a bill with the same language in it. It appears a concerted effort by the gun grabbers. Expect more states to follow along. The media is off the gun grabbing hysteria now so they will try and push this nonsense through with little fanfare.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbi...l&session=ls88
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