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Old 12-09-2012, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I think those who are pro-gay marriage should include incest marriages as well. After all, why constitutionally infringe on the rights of two consenting adults to marry their siblings or first cousins?

I say let the court rulings open up all of the doors...allow anyone and everyone who is of consenting age to marry whomever they want...poligamy, incest, gay etc... remove all boundaries, and just let the entire deck of cards fall over.
I completely agree, and that's what I'm aiming for.

 
Old 12-09-2012, 11:00 PM
 
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I think those who are pro-gay marriage should include incest marriages as well. After all, why constitutionally infringe on the rights of two consenting adults to marry their siblings or first cousins?
You are aware first cousins can already marry in 3 times as many states as gays can right?

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I say let the court rulings open up all of the doors...allow anyone and everyone who is of consenting age to marry whomever they want...poligamy, incest, gay etc... remove all boundaries, and just let the entire deck of cards fall over.
Slippery slope fallacy. Most people here are not in favor of polygamy or incest. In fact, there is a strict divide between countries that support same-sex marriage and those that support polygamy. The 1st World supports same-sex marriage and opposes polygamy, the 3rd world is the opposite.
 
Old 12-09-2012, 11:01 PM
 
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Why?

It's not a constitutional issue.
Seeing as the Supreme Court has agreed to rule on it, clearly they disagree with you. And their opinion is the only one that matters.
 
Old 12-09-2012, 11:18 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Fiyero You are aware first cousins can already marry in 3 times as many states as gays can right?
I'm aware that several states allow incest marriages depending on the degrees of distance between the parties. It isn't defined in hard print equally across the board--however, just as those who are enthusiastic and federalizing gay marriage; they should be just as open to federalizing incest marriage to cover all states and degrees so that they can also enjoy the full range of benefits and protection under the US constitution. No?


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Slippery slope fallacy. Most people here are not in favor of polygamy or incest. In fact, there is a strict divide between countries that support same-sex marriage and those that support polygamy. The 1st World supports same-sex marriage and opposes polygamy, the 3rd world is the opposite
I'm not talking about what "most people" are in favor of. Everyone is to be protected regardless, right? How can anyone argue that gays should receive "equal protection" under the law but deny incest and polygamists couples the same opportunity should those individuals wish to engage in those types of relationships for their own personal benefit?

I personally think that the left-wing and/or liberals have to accept the entire package deal.

If the argument is that gay marriage is to be constitutionally protected against DOMA, then so should incest and polygamous marriages. The precedent has been set and established. I say make them own the entire lot and agree to it all.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I'm aware that several states allow incest marriages depending on the degrees of distance between the parties. It isn't defined in hard print equally across the board--however, just as those who are enthusiastic and federalizing gay marriage; they should be just as open to federalizing incest marriage to cover all states and degrees so that they can also enjoy the full range of benefits and protection under the US constitution. No?




I'm not talking about what "most people" are in favor of. Everyone is to be protected regardless, right? How can anyone argue that gays should receive "equal protection" under the law but deny incest and polygamists couples the same opportunity should those individuals wish to engage in those types of relationships for their own personal benefit?

I personally think that the left-wing and/or liberals have to accept the entire package deal.

If the argument is that gay marriage is to be constitutionally protected against DOMA, then so should incest and polygamous marriages. The precedent has been set and established. I say make them own the entire lot and agree to it all.
The problem with your scenario is that you can make logical, secular arguments for prohibiting marriages between relatives and polygamy. That's pretty much impossible to do as far as gay marriage is concerned.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 02:01 AM
 
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The problem with your scenario is that you can make logical, secular arguments for prohibiting marriages between relatives and polygamy. That's pretty much impossible to do as far as gay marriage is concerned.
Only if you are amoral.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Only if you are amoral.
Ok, so make the logical, secular argument against gay marriage.

I'm listening.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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Ok, so make the logical, secular argument against gay marriage.

I'm listening.
There is no secular morality. Without God, man decides for himself what is right or wrong. Without God, there is no morality.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Ok, so make the logical, secular argument against gay marriage.

I'm listening.
ROFLMFAO...good luck with getting a logical/secular post outta "there"! .

 
Old 12-10-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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There is no secular morality. Without God, man decides for himself what is right or wrong. Without God, there is no morality.
A) My god is fine with homosexuality

B) This is a discussion about legal arguments. The law is (or at least supposed to be under our 1st Amendment) secular, therefor your argument must be secular.
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