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Old 11-16-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Got homestead exemption? Then I'm subsidizing you.
Only if they live in your city. Those are localized taxes.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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As I stated earlier, healthcare is a consumer product, not a right, not a guarantee. Some people can't afford it, and some can't afford it to the level that others can. Why does the government need to step in so that everyone is guaranteed the same level?

Because otherwise they die earlier and their payroll taxes are redistributed upward. Repealing payroll taxes or privatizing Social Security are other ways to fix this problem.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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Only if they live in your city. Those are localized taxes.

Then other renters are subsidizing him, just as millions of Texans are subsidizing you. And if he lives anywhere in Michigan I'm subsidizing him because the state tax system is redistributing (specifically the sales tax which is partly dedicated to subsidizing homeowners' property taxes).
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Then other renters are subsidizing him, just as millions of Texans are subsidizing you.
No they are not. In Texas your property taxes go to the county, not the state.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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The Republicans didn't have a plan? Ah yes, the Lame Stream Media has brainwashed the gulluble yet again or the liberals refuse to believe what is fact.

Read the following to see what the Republicans proposed and was ignored by the dems in the past - we need to implement these rather than the massive amount of red tape that was ObamaCare:

* Allow insurers to sell policies across state lines. Currently health insurance is regulated by the states and consumers in one state cannot purchase a policy sold in another state. Republicans argue that the current restriction locks people into expensive plans in states with high minimum-coverage requirements. Critics argue the proposal could spark a race to the bottom for coverage and consumer protections. The Senate-passed Democratic healthcare bill included a version of this proposal.

* Create new state high-risk pools or reinsurance programs to provide insured people access to health insurance. Republican backers argue this would give everyone access to insurance coverage. Critics argue that most of the millions of uninsured people are between jobs and would not be able to afford the premiums that, at least in one proposal put forward by Representative Dave Camp, the top Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee, would be capped at 150 percent of the average premiums within a state.

* Some Republicans, including Senate Finance Committee member Charles Grassley, call for barring insurers from excluding people with pre-existing conditions and argue that the reinsurance program would allow for coverage of those people who wait until they get sick before purchasing insurance. Reinsurance pool premiums would be higher than regular insurance. The Democratic bill bars insurers from excluding people with pre-existing conditions. But their bill would require everyone to purchase insurance to prevent people from waiting until they get sick to get coverage, which would send insurance premiums soaring.

* Senate and House Republicans have offered proposals that would provide incentives to encourage states to enact regulatory reforms that reduce premiums and expand coverage without subsidies or expanding the Medicaid government health insurance program for the poor.

* Allow small businesses to pool together in associations to purchase health insurance. Republicans argue this would help them obtain more-affordable coverage. The Democratic bill would create insurance pools through new state and national exchanges where individuals and businesses would shop for insurance plans.

* Discourage "junk" lawsuits by changing medical liability laws to limit noneconomic damages. Most proposals set a $250,000 cap. The Congressional Budget Office has said this provision could save the federal government as much as $54 billion over 10 years.

* Crack down on waste, fraud and abuse in Medicaid and in the Medicare government health insurance program for the elderly and disabled. Democratic healthcare legislation also includes measures to reduce fraud and waste in those programs.

* Beef up incentives for employer-sponsored "wellness programs" so that workers who participate could get bigger breaks on insurance premiums. Senator Judd Gregg and other Republicans argue the incentives would encourage people to live healthier lifestyles that can lead to lower healthcare costs. But some healthcare advocates argue the proposal is unfair to people with chronic health conditions.

Factbox: Republican healthcare reform proposals | Reuters
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The real purpose of the Affordable Health Care law was to expand the size of government.

What do you think?
I think the purpose of ACA is to expand the size of people's control over health insurance companies, and to help reduce federal spending on health care as well as a reduction in wasteful spending that has been in vogue via "ER Treatment".
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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If course it's not. It's a stepping stone to the single-payer system that the Democrats wanted all along. We're watching the best healthcare in the world for the majority of us evolve into mediocre healthcare for everyone.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If course it's not. It's a stepping stone to the single-payer system that the Democrats wanted all along. We're watching the best healthcare in the world for the majority of us evolve into mediocre healthcare for everyone.
They have to crater the current system so they can waltz in with a "solution".

Government usually creates the very problems it seeks to solve.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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If healthcare isn't a right, Social Security is redistributive upward and morally indefensible.
Social Security (which I'm not a huge fan of so I won't defend it vigorously) is a return on investment. I pay in, and at some point I draw out. It's also a Ponzi scheme with dependence on future investors to provide returns to past investors. I'd favor gradual elimination, or pay me back (with interest) what I've put in since I was 16 and I'll not expect future benefits.

On healthcare, when did the government get into that on the scale it now is? Medicare should at best cover basics but no more.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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ObamaCare is just part of the liberal plan to further weaken America's economy in an effort to reduce America's strength and influence in the world - to humble the country and bring it to it's knees. Redistributing some wealth along the way (since low income/no income folk will have their healthcare subsidized by those who are actually working) is just icing on that cake.

Healthcare is not a right - it's a consumer product. Like luxury cars, smartphones and big screen TV's, either you can afford it or you cannot. Society, and taxpayers, are in no way obligated to provide it for everyone.


What advantage to anyone to do something so stupid?

ObamaCare is just part of the liberal plan to further weaken America's economy in an effort to reduce America's strength and influence in the world - to humble the country and bring it to it's knees.
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