Purpose of Obamacare was NOT to provide healthcare (regular, brainwash, solution)
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The purpose was to provide insurance to those that couldn't afford it or could not qualify for it.
A simple expansion of medicaid/medicare could have solved it with these people paying premiums.
If that truly was the goal, the solution was right there within the government.
Yes, the solution was there. But, we had a Congress that was irresponsible. They passed legislation they didn't even read.
There has to be something unConstitutional about that.
Well, "expand the size of government" is not exactly the goal... but it is the outcome. More storm trooper IRS agents running around making sure everyone is buying HC and fining middle class people...
the actual GOAL of Obamacare was to break the system to the point that Americans demand a fix. THEN dems will get what they want. A nationalized single payer healthcare system run by the government with deathpanels and all.
THAT is what they want. That was the plan all along, and guess what? THAT is exactly what we will get in about 10 years.
Death panels...
Look, you know what a death panel is? It's an insurance company canceling coverage when you get sick. Or "capping" your benefits so your insurance runs out before your chemo does. Or, simply and most commonly, just refusing you coverage in the first place.
Obamacare fixed all that. My own son is exhibit A for me. By 2016, there will be millions of other Americans realizing the benefits.
I think the original intention was to lower healthcare costs. But between the healthcare industry and insurance company lobbyists, and the bureaucracy that is our government, that it will have very little of its intended effect. And the intention is important. Because healthcare and insurance are consuming too much of the American economy, and must be scaled back before the wave of baby-boomers reaches its high crest, and essentially swamps our economy. The healthcare industry and insurance companies don't want that discussion to occur, though.
Look, you know what a death panel is? It's an insurance company canceling coverage when you get sick. Or "capping" your benefits so your insurance runs out before your chemo does. Or, simply and most commonly, just refusing you coverage in the first place.
Obamacare fixed all that. My own son is exhibit A for me. By 2016, there will be millions of other Americans realizing the benefits.
That could have been fixed without massive, gigantic, oppressive -- and unfair -- legislation being forced on the nation against the will of so many people. They all said let's fix what needs fixing, but Democrats refused. It was the entire package, or nothing.
So you'll have a different kind of death panel. Just hope your son (or you, or your spouse, or your parent) never needs a special procedure or treatment that goes under consideration by the Commission.
No, it requires private citizens to pay for something they were already getting.
I disagree with a mandate to buy anything from the federal government, but republicans didn't have a alternative plan, and wouldn't see a limited single payer system enacted, and thus, here we are.
Of course republicans didn't have an alternative plan - this was THEIR plan.
No one is trying to destroy the country. They are trying to move it forward to good things in the best way they think is possible.
The how does anything in Obamacare - the actual as implemented, not some "well-intentioned" interpretation plan - actually help bring about anything good?
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979
If you disagree with the platform, be specific where. What's your ideas to fix the healthcare problem. That's constructive criticism. Saying they want to destroy the country doesn't further your message.
As I stated earlier, healthcare is a consumer product, not a right, not a guarantee. Some people can't afford it, and some can't afford it to the level that others can. Why does the government need to step in so that everyone is guaranteed the same level? I drive a Mercedes. Elmo from the trailer park drives a 15 year old Toyota. Is my car safer and more reliable? Yes, it is. Do I have a higher chance of being safe in a crash? Yes, I do. Do I have a higher quality of experience while driving? I'd say so. So is it the government's business to make sure Elmo is as safe as I am while driving, that he has the same chance of getting to work reliably, that he enjoys the ride as much as I do? Hell no! Should I be subsidizing Elmo's abilities to be safe while driving or to be as sure of getting to work? Again, hell no. If Elmo wants the same as a result of his consumer purchasing, then he needs to find a way to obtain it. The probablility is that he will not, and that's just life. Same with healthcare. Should I be taxed (penalized for success) to the point where I can't afford a MB so that Elmo has adequate transportation?
A solution would be to reduce the costs of healthcare at the source. Why were billions spent on meds to make a man's pecker hard? Because it's profitable. If there was no demand, there would be no such product. The same view should be taken with other healthcare products, and no reliance on an unlimited source of payments for such. Make the approval process for new meds and services less costly for companies developing them. Realize that people like Elmo, if they cannot afford it, may not have access to it. OK, in reducing the excessive tests maybe the safety will drop slightly but inform patients of risks involved with a given treatment and get a liability waiver signed.
Why do docs and hospitals charge so much? Because they can.
I had an operation last year for which the final tally was around $18,000. For outpatient surgery. My out of pocket was about $700. Why did they charge $6,000 for me to be in the recovery room for an hour? Likely to compensate for the uninsured illegals who use the ER as a doctor when they have a cold. Every hospital has to treat the uninsured and passes the costs on to the insured.
A co-worker a few years ago had a child born with developmental problems. In the first six months, the medical bills came to over a million dollars and this child will never have anywhere near a normal life, requiring constant care forever. Who pays for that? The taxpayer and the insurance company's other subscribers.
Sometimes if you can't afford it, you just can't afford it.
1) Cut excessive payments for procedures.
2) Make it less costly for providers to develop new meds/procedures.
3) Make patients accept some of the risks involved with accepting services. If it goes bad, eliminate the excessive settlements.
4) Hold hospitals responsible only for immediate care for the uninsured. Illegals should not get anything beyond immediate first aid or stabilization.
5) Realize some people just aren't going to have access to the best, or even mediocre care, and that's up to them, not the government to deal with. It's a personal problem, not a societal one.
Positive action to make the country better (by whatever standard you wish to include) is laudable. I see no actions associated with Obamacare as having positive results on any front. Promoting a socialist view perhaps.
Surely by now you do understand that we all already pay for healthcare for low income people. All this Obamacare does is get the money from your your other pocket.
.Healthcare is not a right - it's a consumer product. Like luxury cars, smartphones and big screen TV's, either you can afford it or you cannot. Society, and taxpayers, are in no way obligated to provide it for everyone.
If healthcare isn't a right, Social Security is redistributive upward and morally indefensible.
Got homestead exemption? Then I'm subsidizing you.
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