When does "human life" begin? (children, work, women)
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So why not just allow abortion until the baby does not need it's mother's milk or food, and can fend for itself? Maybe allow abortion up until seven or eight years old?
This is so far beyond illogical that it makes me want to cry.
A 1 year old child can be adopted.
A 1 day old child can be adopted.
A 1 week old fetus has to gestate inside a woman's body for many more months before it can be adopted.
How is that simplistic concept so hard to understand?
Some women really don't want a creature growing inside them for 9 months. Pregnancy is not an easy thing to deal with, so forcing women to carry a fetus to term is akin to waterboarding, but for 9 months.
Do you understand the difference between a parasite and a dependent?
The thing that gets me about the "you can't have an abortion" people is that they are all about forcing women to suffer unwanted pregnancies, but they refuse to support those babies who are born into difficult situations. The more you support abortion, the less you support welfare and universal healthcare...and that makes absolutely no sense at all. If you support an end to Roe v Wade, you'd better be willing to put up your tax $$$ to pay for all those new babies being born in the ghetto!
This is so far beyond illogical that it makes me want to cry.
A 1 year old child can be adopted.
A 1 day old child can be adopted.
A 1 week old fetus has to gestate inside a woman's body for many more months before it can be adopted.
How is that simplistic concept so hard to understand?
Some women really don't want a creature growing inside them for 9 months. Pregnancy is not an easy thing to deal with, so forcing women to carry a fetus to term is akin to waterboarding, but for 9 months.
Do you understand the difference between a parasite and a dependent?
The thing that gets me about the "you can't have an abortion" people is that they are all about forcing women to suffer unwanted pregnancies, but they refuse to support those babies who are born into difficult situations. The more you support abortion, the less you support welfare and universal healthcare...and that makes absolutely no sense at all. If you support an end to Roe v Wade, you'd better be willing to put up your tax $$$ to pay for all those new babies being born in the ghetto!
I know what a parasite is, and the baby will be a parasite to someone until at least seven or eight years old. So whomever is the host of the parasite, by your logic, should be able to get rid of it.
They do not depend on a host.....they depend on caregivers.....BIG DIFFERENCE.
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Originally Posted by ThinkBeforeYouVote
They are not parasitic, they can be cared for by another person.
You can't take a 4 week old fetus out of a woman's womb and have it survive.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
Plus, I don't really see why people feel the need to protect severly handicapped people anyway...hundreds of years ago those people would have been left to die but now they are suddenly expected to have more rights than women are based on what the right wing likes to insinuate. A parasite is a parasite no matter how you look at it, and keeping some drooling quadrapeligic with no mental activity alive is just a waste of resources.
If you people care so much about life, why don't you do something to improve the lives of those who actually understand that their lives suck? Why is it that you're all for special education but not regular education?
I never understood that parasite/host argument. A parasite not seldom destroys the host, at best it is neutral. Nor does a fetus destroy the mother, to the contrary, despite a temporary loss of comfort most pregnant women are happy about their situation, after all, most women get pregnant intentionally, not by accident. When you ask becoming mothers, most of them would be insulted if you called those beings inside them parasites.
The word parasite in this context expresses a huge contempt for life in my view.
I know what a parasite is, and the baby will be a parasite to someone until at least seven or eight years old. So whomever is the host of the parasite, by your logic, should be able to get rid of it.
No, you don't.
You can get someone else to take care of an eight year old.
You can't get someone else to take care of a fetus.
Medically speaking, a parasite is physically attached to it's host.....it the host dies.....it will die.....no one else can take the place of the host.
An eight year old will not die in the mother dies.....someone else can take care of it.
You can get someone else to take care of an eight year old.
You can't get someone else to take care of a fetus.
Medically speaking, a parasite is physically attached to it's host.....it the host dies.....it will die.....no one else can take the place of the host.
An eight year old will not die in the mother dies.....someone else can take care of it.
Yes, and when the mother gets another person to take care of the child, that child must now live off of the other person. The other person has to provide it with food, water, and shelter, at her own expense. A parasite lives on, with or in another organism.
I wonder how many people that think a fetus is alive even if it can't live outside of the womb, are also opposed to pulling the plug on someone on life support?
I never understood that parasite/host argument. A parasite not seldom destroys the host, at best it is neutral. Nor does a fetus destroy the mother, to the contrary, despite a temporary loss of comfort most pregnant women are happy about their situation, after all, most women get pregnant intentionally, not by accident. When you ask becoming mothers, most of them would be insulted if you called those beings inside them parasites.
The word parasite in this context expresses a huge contempt for life in my view.
Some parasites do destroy the host......and many women DO die from childbirth.
Pregnancy can cause many life threatening conditions and most certainly does kill some women.....it is hardly a mere inconvenience and a lot more than a temporary discomfort.
Pregnancy is not something a woman should be forced to endure against her will.....her life is literally at risk.
Some parasites do destroy the host......and many women DO die from childbirth.
Pregnancy can cause many life threatening conditions and most certainly does kill some women.....it is hardly a mere inconvenience and a lot more than a temporary discomfort.
Pregnancy is not something a woman should be forced to endure against her will.....her life is literally at risk.
You're right no woman should have children if she chooses not to. Couldn't agree more! Ever hear of having tubal ligation? My cousin had that done at 25, a lot of people disagreed with her but she felt it was the right thing to do. She was responsible, however there many women who get pregnant thats the mothers problem not the babies.
I will add there are mothers who have amnios and other tests to determine if a child has down syndrome or some other terrible health issue that would affect their quality of life if they are born or if it even will hurt the mother, then I do believe in terminating a pregnancy. The Mothers life should not be at risk and down syndrome kids really don't have a great quality of life and it's a drain on the parents financially. Back before people terminated pregnancies, kids like that were put in institutions and forgotten, today not so much but still many are put up for adoption. Most are not adopted and kept in foster homes.
Last edited by Ming Ming; 08-10-2012 at 04:12 PM..
You're right no woman should have children if she chooses not to. Couldn't agree more! Ever hear of having tubal ligation? My cousin had that done at 25, a lot of people disagreed with her but she felt it was the right thing to do. She was responsible, however there many women who get pregnant thats the mothers problem not the babies.
Until single women, with no children, can demand a tubal ligation at the age of 18 without being turned down, it is not a viable option for many women.
Some parasites do destroy the host......and many women DO die from childbirth.
Pregnancy can cause many life threatening conditions and most certainly does kill some women.....it is hardly a mere inconvenience and a lot more than a temporary discomfort.
Pregnancy is not something a woman should be forced to endure against her will.....her life is literally at risk.
In the West the maternal death rate is about 15 deaths per 100,000 births.
Her life is also at risk when she crosses the street...
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