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Old 06-29-2012, 05:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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When trying to pass Obamacare in 2009 and 2010, President Obama swore up and down the "penalty" for not signing up, wasn't a tax. Many Democrats told him it would never be passed, if there were any such taxes in it. So Obama told them it was only a penalty. It wasn't a tax. They passed it.

Then when it came up before the Supreme Court, the Justices pointed out that a penalty, as it was described in the text of the law itself, could not possibly pass constitutional muster. So Obama's lawyers simply changed their story: Since the votes had already been tallied, now it was a tax, not a penalty. On that basis, the Supreme Court OK'ed it, since it was (now) a tax.

Today, as people are starting to realize they had been lied to, and that Obamacare was in fact one of the largest tax increases in country had ever seen, Obama's spokesmen are changing their story yet again: Now it's a penalty again, not a tax. It's a penalty. A Penalty. Not a tax. For today, anyway. Got it?

Democrats are apparently confident that the American people are too stupid to notice them constantly changing their story, to whatever is convenient for the moment.

As a famous former dictator once said, "The truth? Truth is whatever serves the Soviet Union!"

On Nov. 5th, will Americans remember that it's only constitutional if it's a tax?

A BIG tax?

Or will they justify the Democrats' opinion of them as a bunch of stupid bumpkins?

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White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News


White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'

Published June 29, 2012
FoxNews.com

First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

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Old 06-29-2012, 09:06 PM
 
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Marco Rubio nailed it: If you don't pay the "penalty" you have an IRS problem. A big problem. A tax problem.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Intelligent people knew it was a tax long ago. I remember several times typing, "a tax by any other name is still a tax." But libs got screaming angry at that notion.

I'm sure a search here would locate a ton of libs who had the same reaction to smart people here who knew it was a tax. They swallowed the OCare koolaid.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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2% of Americans may face a small penalty if they attempt to be a free rider. I thought republicans hated free riders? Guess they hate the word tax more...If it were a tax we'd all be paying the penalty BUT WE WONT. The people paying the penalty will be those able people trying to catch a freebie.
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:22 PM
 
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Perhpas people who don't like tax or panalty would prefer fee Government loves to tax by adding on fees.
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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I think this is worth repeating here.

The Supreme Court has ruled that PPACA is a tax. Taxes are revenue. Revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives. PPACA originated in the Senate. PPACA is unconstitutional.

Constitution - Article 1, Section 7

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

My hunch is that they realize this and are trying like heck to make everyone forget what Roberts said about the mandate being a tax.

I suggest hitting up your Congressional representative to appeal the case.
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Marco Rubio nailed it: If you don't pay the "penalty" you have an IRS problem. A big problem. A tax problem.
That's the way the USSC chose to address it.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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I tell you what it is. IT's freaking great. CAn't be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Woah? You got cancer? Can't insure you.. oh crap Obamacare...
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:45 AM
 
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I tell you what it is. IT's freaking great. CAn't be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Smoke and mirrors because it's trumped by the mandate, you can't be denied coverage if you already have it. The only thing the pre-existing condition provision will effect is the intial wave of people getting insurance.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:01 AM
 
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Obama and a Democrat Congress have raised our taxes drastically right smack in the middle of the worst recession of our life times.

Whatever happened to tax being for activity.
They have now come up with the plan to tax air.
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