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Old 05-14-2012, 04:13 AM
 
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1. Passed Health Care Reform:
That's what they called it but it doesn't address the fundamental problem which is cost, you could in fact be paying more. That's not the type of "health care reform" most Americans wanted.

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4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
This was pretty much a done deal when he took office.

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6. Eliminated Osama bin laden:
He made a decision, a good decision but nonetheless it was just a decision. The groundwork and foundation which ultimately led to the killing of Obama started under the Bush administration and continued through the Obama administration. The credit goes to the intelligence community in locating him and the Seals who carried out the operation.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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And you'd be wrong all night. Do you realize Bush ran the deficit up 1.8 trillion dollars in tax cuts for the rich? That was more than he wasted on the invasion of Iraq. And Obama had to SPEND the way out of a looming Depression due to the person YOU voted for. TWICE.
You realize that most of the Bush tax cuts went to the middle class?
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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You're being disingenuous as usual. He's the POTUS and he made the call, which most of his cabinet disagreed with, including many military leaders.

His call = his accomplishment.

I'm 100% sure that if he made the call and it was a failure, you'd claim he was weak.
and you would be wrong there. when carter made the decision to send in a rescue effort in 1979, my response was "finally he is doing something other than talking people to death". that effort failed because it was too complex, but at least he tried.

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McCain would not have gone into Pakistan and said so. Neither would have Romney. The military wanted to drop a bomb on the complex, but Obama wanted to know that they got him and sent them in.

I wish for a moment that some of you sour grapes people could just be proud Americans for once instead of routing against a President who killed AQs leader. Instead your hatred for Obama trumps all.
while mccain would not have gone into pakistan, romney merely said he wouldnt spend the money and time going after a single individual. that doesnt mean that if the same intelligence came through that romney would not have authorized the mission.

my only issue with obama crowing about how he got bin laden is that he refuses to acknowledge that bush was the one that set things up to get bin laden, and that obama was following bushs playbook.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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That's what they called it but it doesn't address the fundamental problem which is cost, you could in fact be paying more. That's not the type of "health care reform" most Americans wanted.

This was pretty much a done deal when he took office.

He made a decision, a good decision but nonetheless it was just a decision. The groundwork and foundation which ultimately led to the killing of Obama started under the Bush administration and continued through the Obama administration. The credit goes to the intelligence community in locating him and the Seals who carried out the operation.
Actually, we were trying to stay, as I'm sure you can recall. They basically kicked us out. So giving Obama credit for this might be a stretch, I reckon.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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You realize that most of the Bush tax cuts went to the middle class?
Sure they did http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/...ax-rich/2.html



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The Bush tax cuts, which lowered rates on both income and capital gains, also helped fuel the growth in income inequality, according to the report. The difference in tax rates paid by the poor and the rich narrowed, with the Top 0.1% of American taxpayers seeing their average tax rate fall by about a quarter.
Income inequality driven by Bush tax cuts, capital gains - Jan. 4, 2012
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Funny, first time I have ever remember not getting a health insurance premium increase was this year.

Seeing the most policies renew in april I'm wondering who else didn't see a rate increase. I understand that some people will actually get rebates back starting this year.


The Post Bulletin : Millions to get rebate on health insurance premiums


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That's what they called it but it doesn't address the fundamental problem which is cost, you could in fact be paying more. That's not the type of "health care reform" most Americans wanted.

This was pretty much a done deal when he took office.

He made a decision, a good decision but nonetheless it was just a decision. The groundwork and foundation which ultimately led to the killing of Obama started under the Bush administration and continued through the Obama administration. The credit goes to the intelligence community in locating him and the Seals who carried out the operation.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:10 PM
 
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Was reading someone saying Obama was "worthless" and hasn't accomplished "anything." Which is untrue. So for those who wish to say he's "pathetic", here's 50 things he's done.
He's not the best. He's not perfect. But to say he's done "nothing." is just being obtuse for the sake of making arguments based on emotion, when it's pretty obvious he's accomplished some major things.

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

read the other 44 things at
The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

and then argue that he's done..... zip.

oh my God. Did you actually read these "accomplishments"?

Let's discuss the only ones that matter (and many of those you noted as "accomplishments" were actually blunders and complete failures)

1. debt at $16 trillion
2. deficits at $1.3 trillion
3. dollar in the tanks
4. record trade deficits
5. manufacturing in the tank
6. record levels of unemployment (real unemployment at 20%)
7. home sector has not recovered
8. personal incomes down 7.5%
9. Number of jobs in the US at 2.8 million less than 2008
10. Record unemployment among people under age 30


Now what in the world do you think people care about? Having a job and providing for thier family, or gay marriage?

Let's vote.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:18 PM
 
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oh my God. Did you actually read these "accomplishments"?

Let's discuss the only ones that matter (and many of those you noted as "accomplishments" were actually blunders and complete failures)

1. debt at $16 trillion
2. deficits at $1.3 trillion
3. dollar in the tank
4. record trade deficits
5. manufacturing in the tank
6. record levels of unemployment (real unemployment at 20%)
7. home sector has not recovered
8. personal incomes down 7.5%
9. Number of jobs in the US at 2.8 million less than 2008
10. Record unemployment among people under age 30


Now what in the world do you think people care about? Having a job and providing for thier family, or gay marriage?

Let's vote.
can i go first?

it is unreal that some people would even try and defend that record when they see it in print- although you left out high inflation costs hammering the average american, forgiving foreign debt, sending american money to help brazil develop their energy resources/while neglecting ours, and pushing for rewarding children of illegal immigrants with free college at the expense of struggling american students saddled with government-controlled non-dischargeable debt.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Top 50? I'm struggling to fine one.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by 70Ford View Post
Was reading someone saying Obama was "worthless" and hasn't accomplished "anything." Which is untrue. So for those who wish to say he's "pathetic", here's 50 things he's done.
He's not the best. He's not perfect. But to say he's done "nothing." is just being obtuse for the sake of making arguments based on emotion, when it's pretty obvious he's accomplished some major things.

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

read the other 44 things at
The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

and then argue that he's done..... zip.
He has been an incredibly great President. Best ever. More importantly, there isn't a Republican alive who can touch him. He's far superior. The great thing is that there are plenty of black people in this country who are just as brilliant.

Great job, Mr. President!
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