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Wow, if that raving lunatic is the best you have to champion...you guys are in trouble. Listening to his verbal diarrhea was painful as hell.
A number of other presidents in history, and Romney, violate this guys premise. So a long history of legal precedent invalidates his idea, including all of the birther lawsuits that were filed (then dismissed) on the same grounds. This horse was dead before the gates opened.
This guy is just a bigot. The definition of discrimination is the treatment of similarly situated individuals differently, and considering Romney seems immune from his ravings while Obama is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY...it fits this definition to a T.
I wonder if birthers are just lonely pathetic little individuals. Their ideas have been invalidated time and time again, but they still champion them like they are new every few days. This gets them all sorts of mocking and refutations...but that's attention. Even negative attention is still attention, like a little kid acting out with absent parents.
Wow, if that raving lunatic is the best you have to champion...you guys are in trouble. Listening to his verbal diarrhea was painful as hell.
A number of other presidents in history, and Romney, violate this guys premise. So a long history of legal precedent invalidates his idea, including all of the birther lawsuits that were filed (then dismissed) on the same grounds. This horse was dead before the gates opened.
This guy is just a bigot. The definition of discrimination is the treatment of similarly situated individuals differently, and considering Romney seems immune from his ravings while Obama is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY...it fits this definition to a T.
I wonder if birthers are just lonely pathetic little individuals. Their ideas have been invalidated time and time again, but they still champion them like they are new every few days. This gets them all sorts of mocking and refutations...but that's attention. Even negative attention is still attention, like a little kid acting out with absent parents.
I am sure it will be raised with Romney in the coming months. A few months back the Huffington Post published several articles about him being a Mexican citizen as well as a few other publications. I am sure it will resurface again as the campaign heats up.
I am sure it will be raised with Romney in the coming months. A few months back the Huffington Post published several articles about him being a Mexican citizen as well as a few other publications. I am sure it will resurface again as the campaign heats up.
Okay, I guess you are not addressing all the failed birther lawsuits along the same line and the long history of presidents that violate this logic...
One group did, and they were pretty universally denounced by other brither and tea party groups as traitors and idiots. So I think that thought is more full of **** then a comstipated elephant. This guy could have easily said "Obama and the current GOP front runner Romney"...but he purposefully excluded it because it has nothing to do with the law or reality (which was settled years ago). It's about hatred.
A vast majority of the people already get it, but it is funny to watch birthers dance around it like a sloppy turd their dog did on the sidewalk.
This guy could have easily said "Obama and the current GOP front runner Romney"...but he purposefully excluded it because it has nothing to do with the law or reality (which was settled years ago). It's about hatred.
The interviewer from WABC only asked Titus about Obama, not Romney and I highly doubt Titus is filled with hatred.
When President Obama released his long-form birth certificate last year, birthers did not accept the blow to the central premise of their movement. Instead, they switched tacks and started claiming that the birth certificate was inconsequential and that the president was in fact ineligible because one of his parents was not a United States citizen.
Now, Titus seems to have blended this new definition of “natural born citizen†with some David Barton-style biblical analysis to conclude that God himself has declared Obama ineligible for the American presidency:
Sought by the WABC show for his expertise on the subject of natural born Citizen of course.
Oh... by "the WABC show" you mean his fellow nutburger Aaron Klein. So, you have just answered your own question as to why he was sought out for his "expertise."
Because he's the only one Klein could find who agrees with the completely debunked Birther "two-citizen parent" theory.
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Originally Posted by Tea Party Ted
As far as him being a nut case, I don't see it. Here is why:
Mr. Titus taught constitutional law, common law, and other subjects for nearly 30 years at five different American Bar Association approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993, he served as the founding Dean of the College of Law and Government in Regent University, Virginia Beach, Virginia. Prior to his academic career, he served as a Trial Attorney and a Special Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. and Kansas City, Missouri. Today he is engaged in a general practice with a concentration in constitutional strategy, litigation, and appeals.
Mr. Titus holds the J.D. degree (*** laude) from Harvard and the B.S. degree in Political Science from the University of Oregon from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa. He is an active member of the bar of Virginia and an inactive member of the bar of Oregon. He is admitted to practice before the United States Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, the United States Court of Claims, and the United States Courts of Appeals for the Sixth, Seventh, Ninth, Tenth, District of Columbia and Federal Circuits. His constitutional practice has taken him into federal district courts in Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia and the state courts of Idaho, Texas and North Dakota. Herbert W. Titus
Let's peel back a layer or two of that otherwise whitewashed resume', shall we?
He worked for the ACLU as a regional director and was involved in several cases involving the Constitution.
Then 1975 he fell off his horse on the road to Damascus and was suddenly and dramatically converted to an especially conservative Evangelical form of Christianity. From that moment on his legal and scholarly career went down the tubes. He went to teach law at Oral Roberts University until the O.R.U. law school was shut down and transferred to Pat Robertson's CBN University, later changing it's name to Regent University. He proved to be too radical even for Pat Robertson and was removed as Dean (The Rise of the Theocratic States of America).
When a guy is too nuts for even Pat Robertson, that should tell you something right there.
He has allied himself with Roy Moore and with the Coalition of Spirit-Filled Churches. He is a supporter of a law that would provide for the impeachment of Federal judges who do not acknowledge the Christian god as "the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." This was not proposed as an Amendment but as a statute -- much easier to pass in a Republican-controlled House.
And Titus's Birthism does not even come from the Constitution, it comes from (surprise, surprise) the Bible. This is from an interview back in January on Voice of Christian Youth America’s Crosstalk :
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What’s important is to realize that being a natural born citizen is based upon the law of nature. Any natural law is based on a law of nature which is revealed by God. And the notion is that no one is accidentally born in any particular nation to any particular parent. You’re not born by accident, you’re born by design. And who’s the designer? Well, God’s the designer. So if you’re born of two parents, that is a mother and father, who are of the same citizenship, then you have been ordained by God to be a citizen of the nation of your parents. That’s why he’s a natural born citizen. So, there’s a design in this that goes all the way back to scriptural principles.
Tea Party - Birthers, are they one in the same? So very often they are, and a prime reason that neither group is respected by the Vast Majority of Americans. Keep filing your lawsuits, sooner or later the judges are going to start fining you big time for bringing them to court, not to mention the perjury charges that can come from them also since so often you have to lie and bring known false evidence to a court of law.
As for Chester Arthur, there was actually quite a conspiracy about him during his time in office. That questioned his eligibility for vice president and thus president. There was even an article posted in 1884 by the democratic party that stated this issue, but Chester Arthur largely tried to dismiss the claims.
You rather badly misrepresent this case.
His eligibility was never questioned on the basis of his father's citizenship. That particular theory of natural born citizenship was not invented until 2008. It was questioned based on the false claim that he had been born in Canada. The "article" that you link to makes that point explicitly, so it is curious that you seem to have not actually read it.
Contrary to Arthur "largely tr(ying) to dismiss the claims," he actually completely ignored them. American citizens were less ignorant about our citizenship laws then, and so no "Birther" movement was able to get traction.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
That is basically the purpose of the natural-born clause, to make sure the leader of the country has allegiances to this country and no other. We don't want a french-American president who shows favoritism in his polices to France.
And yet... the following Presidents were all dual citizens with France:
Taft, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Tyler and JFK. JFK was also a citizen of Ireland, making him a triple. You have already pointed out that Arthur was a dual citizen with the UK.
And drilling down more directly to the actual feelings of the Founders and Framers on dual citizenship, Thomas Jefferson became a naturalized citizen of France after our revolution and while he was our Minister to that country. While it can be argued (improperly) that he was grandfathered under Article II, the Congress (composed mostly of Framers) didn't have to vote for him if they actually disapproved of dual citizenship. Yet they elected him Vice president once and President twice. While he was VP, we were even in an undeclared war with his adopted country.
And the Framers never blinked.
Your claim that the purpose of the NBC clause is "to make sure the leader of the country has allegiances to this country and no other" cannot be supported from either the documentary or historical evidence. Ultimately, the only one of the Framers who ever bothered to try and explain its purpose put it this way:
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The Founders knew well that to give to the members of Congress a right to give votes in this election, or to decide upon them when given, was to destroy the independence of the Executive, and make him the creature of the Legislature. This therefore they have guarded against, and to insure experience and attachment to the country, they have determined that no man who is not a natural born citizen, or citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, of fourteen years residence, and thirty-five years of age, shall be eligible....
Alas... no mention of allegiances to this country and no other.
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