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Really? Maybe I'm reading different posts than you. Ya know, the one that called Hitler a lying politician, but not an idiot and you said 'yes, like obama except he is an idiot'.
Thinly veiled, but a comparison nonetheless. You had zero reason to bring Obama into this conversation, but you decided to when you could compare him to Hitler. Again, stay classy.
I'm not "getting it"? For the nineteenth gazillionth time, where did I say anything about God? Or other planets? Where in the world do you broken records come up with this stuff? You're behaving like brainwashed automatons. About the only thing I have to say about God is .. if he indeed exists ... he's not just "their" God, or my God ... he'll be yours too ... so it wouldn't be unwise to hedge your bets. Just sayin'
Any questions?
Yes. I have questions for you.
If you believe in Intelligent Design as you say, then:
What do you think 'designed' human beings?
Where did the model for the design come from?
Why were we designed the way we are, instead of in a form with more efficient, less flawed components/capabilities?
What components were we 'manufactured' from, and where did the components come from?
How many human beings were designed in the first 'manufacturing' run?
When were we designed? Ie When did humans begin to exist?
We're going to use some heavy stuff here: a philosophical argument called the Kalam Cosmological Argument...
Premise--Universe has distinct beginning.
Information--Things with beginnings by definition have points (why is this begun?)
Don't try this argument; it doesn't work. Don't say we're just here because our "ancient ancestors" adapted to their environment from radically different forms by accident.
There's too much evidence for that.
Therefore--The Universe is caused.
The Kalam Cosmological Argument fails because in order to reach its intended conclusions it must contradict its own premises. Each of its versions is founded on one or more related empirical truths such as the Law of Causation or the Laws of Conservation. But using these as a starting point can only lead to an infinite regress. If every effect must have a cause, then there can be no "first' or "uncaused cause" as such a thing is a direct violation of the premise.
As a result, the KCA can only lead to the logical conclusion of an infinite universe that has no beginning and no end. And this is where the argument breaks down. The arguer (if they intend to conclude the existence of God) must abandon logic for intuition and arbitrarily break the infinite chain of causality. The argument cannot conclude God, so it instead asserts God and justifies it with the claim that an infinite regress is impossible.
The problem is that there is no basis for declaring an infinite regress impossible. The Law of Causality demands an infinite regress. The Laws of Conservation demand an infinite regress. Just because it is counter intuitive provides no logical basis for violating those laws arbitrarily.
In this way, the KCA actually only manages to prove logically that the universe is infinite. The conclusion that it is caused by God is an arbitrary addendum that follows from nothing that preceded it.
PS. The Big Bang is not the beginning of the universe. It is the point at which the universe became as it is now. The universe itself is (according to the logical prelude of the KCA) eternal and uncreated. Theists cannot logically object to this because they already accept themselves the possibility of an eternal uncreated thing; in their case God.
PpS. Both theists and nontheists are in agreement that the Big Bang has a cause, they simply disagree over that cause's nature and character. Theists propose as cause an entity for which we have no evidence, that would be singularly unique, and that would violate the known laws of nature. Nontheists in contrast propose as cause the preexisting universe. The latter has the scientific advantages that 1) we actually have evidence that a universe can exist, 2) it is completely porsaic and ordinary rather than singular and unique, and 3) it would violate no laws of nature.
It's the mythical 'crocoduck' that some creationists use as one of their standard strawman arguments used to attempt to 'disprove' the Theory of Evolution.
They use this nonsense strawman to claim that, because we have not found fossils from nonsense creatures like this, transitional fossils don't exist.
Quote:
[The crocoduck] was used by creationists to claim that the absence of any half-crocodile, half-duck creature disproves evolution, an argument that quickly became a popular theme used to ridicule a common misrepresentation of the theory of evolution, namely, that the theory predicts forms intermediate between any two currently living organisms.
In 2007 creationists Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort participated in a televised debate, parts of which were aired on ABC Nightline, on the existence of God.
Comfort says they produced imaginary composite pictures of what "we imagined would be genuine species-to-species transitional forms. We called one a 'crocoduck' and another was called a 'birddog.' "
These pictures were used to show exactly what they thought evolutionists believe, but can't back up through the fossil record."[4] Their composite picture of the imaginary "crocoduck" showed the head of a crocodile on a duck's body.
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Just sayin'
