The Zimmerman-Martin Case (marijuana, solution, school, compare)
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Blacks are more apt to support criminals. In St. Louis there was a rash of "knockout games", young black boys running around and knocking out whites and other non blacks for fun. One elderly Vietnamese man was killed.The police found the suspects of a non-fatal incident and had a 13 year old black girl ready to testify. Well when the time came to testify the girl disappeared. It appears the community had created such a hostile environment in supporting these little thugs that the girl got scared for her safety and she didn't show up to testify. The boys were freed to raucous cheers in the courtroom. Now who wants to bet one of these boys will inevitably kill or seriously harm someone in the future?
This will not be on national TV.
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Bolstering the notion was a Facebook posting by a defendant's mother on Nov. 17. She wrote that the 13-year-old girl already was missing — "thats a good thing."
Five days after the hearing, the 13-year-old witness took to Facebook to respond to teasing that she had ratted out her friends "because they were playing knock out."
The girl insisted, using online slang, that she was not helping police: "I worked byy myy mff self..."
Authorities tried to find out what really happened. For several weeks, detective Wenstrom and investigator Smith worked to reach the girl's mother. She was never around or didn't return their calls.
In late January, the witness's mother told the Post-Dispatch in a brief interview that her daughter was never missing, but people had been "threatening her."
"We have to live where we stay," she said. "I'm not going to jeopardize my child."
Sean Bell-a man who was shot dozens of times by undercover officers. No weapons were found and the testimony of the undercover cops were conflicted. Many say that they did not identify themselves as police officers when they drew their weapon. This was a case of police killing a black man with NO consequences.
Duke Lacrosse- Stripper accused multiple men of a prestigious school of rape. That alone would garner national attention. Similar to the recent case of the death of UVA student Yeardley Love.
James Craig Anderson-Out and out hate crime. And there was no huge protest, marches, etc. Why? Because the suspect was arrested, charged and convicted.
Your comparisons are really no comparisons at all.
Unsolved means no suspects. What would you have folks do? If there is no suspect, the only thing that can be done is to continue to look for the criminal. Unfortunately, the police have no vested interest in keeping these type of cases open.
I gave you info on orgs that work with targeting at risk youth. Again, these murders usually involve criminals. That would be like expecting Italians to hold marches against mafia violence. If you live a dangerous life, you sometimes pay the ultimate price. That's just the way life goes.
What exactly would a march against b/b violence achieve? There is no "suspect" to arrest. Instead, the work is done "on the ground" hoping to stem the tide of youth who join gangs and/or turn to a life of crime.
This case is entirely different. The march is for a specific purpose (arrest a known suspect). I believe that if Zimmerman had been arrested, most of us wouldn't have even heard of this case. It is the negligence (and suspected racism) of the Sanford PD that is causing so much outrage. Surely, you see the difference.
I believe that's part of the problem, actually. It takes one case to galvanize people, but those same people are quick to discount a much larger scourge affecting black men (ie. gangs...drugs...poor parenting...etc).
I'm of the firm opinion that (unproven) claims of racism are the only reason people care about Trayvon Martin. Had this been a black-on-black event, we'd not be hearing a peep from anyone. Which brings me back to the OP......where is the indignation?
Personally, I believe the answer is pretty easy. Crack in its earliest days was a new drug with devastating effects and it was largely an urban drug. News cameras in urban settings is hardly earth-shattering. Most camera crews are a few moments away from the crime scene.
Conversely, methanphetomine is just as bad as crack but it's largest consumer base is in rural areas. News cameras in rural areas where most meth is cooked and distributed does not generate the interest. I have a few friends who are news reporters for local and national stations and i'm quite positive that none of them are rushing to OneStopLightVille to cover meth drug violation.
I see your point, but i'm not sure it's entirely valid when put in context.
If meth is just as bad (and in many cases it's worse because many people have these meth labs in areas where other people live and it is a toxic process), WHY isn't more coverage given to this epidemic. Are we now only reporting crime that is convenient to get to? If so, what of the reporters who go OVERSEAS to report the news?
And what about the point made about missing white children/women?
Zimmerman is a German name, although many if not most American Jews have Germanic roots.
Many Germanic names (Gross, Klein, Weiss. Schwartz and Siegel, to name just a few) can be either Jewish or Gentile. Bob Dylan's family name was Zimmerman (might be with one 'n' or two; who cares?) -- and he hails from that hotbed of Conservatism known as the Minnesota Iron Range. And the name Rosenberg is sometimes Swedish.
It's not a good idea to shoot from the hip when dealing with ethnicity
For those of you who don't want to click, it says this...
Friend: Yeooo Happy Birthday, but pik up the fone or hmu got business to talk!
Trayvon Slimm Martin: NO PHON
friend: damn where you at a n!gga need a plant!
Disclaimer: Now I am NOT saying he is a drug dealer, but this was posted on his facebook on Feb 5, 2012. Anyone can check it for themselves. It sounds as if they are referring to the sale of marijuana....or maybe a legal houseplant...who knows...
Police know how to deal with burglary, drug-dealing, robbery. Those crimes have motives. Police can turn to the predictive-analysis computers to ferret out patterns. It didn't matter that knockout cases remained relatively rare, maybe eight confirmed cases — a handful more suspected ones — in more than a year in the 24 neighborhoods that make up the Third District. People were scared.
In the Tower Grove area, residents have formed aggressive watch programs to patrol for suspicious behavior. Police have started a database of people they think are involved in knockout assaults. The Knockout King is in there. So are the seven juveniles once accused in the Quain case.
For those following the Trayvon Martin case does the bold part sound familiar? A neighborhood being preyed by black criminals fights back. Folks are scared of Black males for good reason. The black community runs interference for their thuggish behavior and then folks act shocked when they are profiled. Sorry that's how it works in the real world.
Were you there to witness everything you stated below? From what news source did you get your statement of events?
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Originally Posted by RandyWatson13
No you are wrong. The facts are
1. Zimmerman followed him.
2. ZImmerman was told not to.
3. Martin ran away. Martin was a welcome guest in the neighborhood.
4. Zimmerman confronted him, yells "coon" to 911
5. Scuffle happens. ZImmerman is 10 years older and 100lbs heavier
6. Kid is dead
7. Police do not do procedure and conduct alchohol/drug tests on Zimmerman
8. Zimmerman said "self defense" and let go
Get away from race for a minute. We have a man 10 years older with a gun chasing a kid 17 years old. He does not identify himself, he has no legal authority, he was told to not follow the kid. The kid runs away like we tell our kids to run away from strange people.
What else would have have Martin do? We teach our kids defend themselves which is what likely happenend when Zimmerman caught up. We teach our kids to run, then to defend. FOr that he was killed.
Blacks are more apt to support criminals. In St. Louis there was a rash of "knockout games", young black boys running around and knocking out whites and other non blacks for fun. One elderly Vietnamese man was killed.The police found the suspects of a non-fatal incident and had a 13 year old black girl ready to testify. Well when the time came to testify the girl disappeared. It appears the community had created such a hostile environment in supporting these little thugs that the girl got scared for her safety and she didn't show up to testify. The boys were freed to raucous cheers in the courtroom. Now who wants to bet one of these boys will inevitably kill or seriously harm someone in the future?
Then, at a juvenile court hearing in January, the main witness, a 13-year-old classmate of the defendants, failed to show up. The case was tossed out.
The kids celebrated. Others howled.
What kids wouldn't celebrate if they got away with a crime? You are making it seem like the families, adults, etc were cheering , in support of this dismissal. You are, once again, being intellectually dishonest.
It's okay if it's 4 year difference is for say 39 to 35.
The age difference matters in this case because it goes to core as how threathening the victim might seem. Alot of growth took place between age 13 (a middle schooler) and age 17 (high school senior).
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