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That's your opinion of what should be, not what is. I happen to agree that books, flags, etc should not be the cause of violence and death. I don't believe any books are sacred to the point that they are worth killing over. But we are foreigners in a land where they think differently, and for practical reasons we ought to be sensitive to what's of high importance to them, even if we think it should be no big deal.
Perhaps you think it should be ok to poke a bear with a stick, since a little stick can't really injure the bear, so why should the bear complain?
I think people shouldn't act like bears. I think we shouldn't apologize to them when they do.
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Originally Posted by tluv00
When you get some time between the hate and BS you've been posting today could you let me know how blissful ignorance really is?
This from the person who can't tell the meaning of the word founder. These people marched down the street murdering because someone burned a book somewhere. And you think I'm full of hate?
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Originally Posted by WestCobb
I'm an active duty soldier who will be deploying to Afghanistan in a few weeks. I find the original post to be ignorant blather. Afghans take the Koran very seriously. We know that. We receive training on that. The soldiers who burned the Korans (in view of local Afghans.. morons!) were extremely negligent in their duties and cost their fellow soldiers (two so far) and innocent Afghans their lives.
I'm not an Afghan. I have a different cultural mindset. I don't feel murderous rage when inanimate objects are burned, be they US flags, Bibles, crucifixes, etc. I'd like to think this is because I come from a culture that has advanced beyond magical thinking, but perhaps I'm just flattering myself and our culture. Whatever.
The point is that the soldiers should have known better. The Afghan interpreters who were on hand told the soldiers not to let the other Afghans who saw what they did go. Furthermore, they told them not to let the Afghans take the charred Korans with them into the streets. They, the intrepreters who understand Afghan culture, knew this would cause a ****storm. Oh well. They were allowed to take the charred Korans into the streets anyway.
The cultural stupidity of these soldiers is just inexcusable. I hope they realize they have blood on their hands, and they feel very sorry for being dull-witted drooling retards. They probably don't feel that way though. They probably feel indigant at these haughty Afghans who dare to care so much about their holy book. They probably would read the OP and think, hell yeah! Someone is saying it!
The only people who have blood on their hands are the people who murdered others because someone somewhere burned a book. If this is what our soldiers are being taught I'm ashamed I'm taxed to support them. I am not paying your salary so you can help prop up crazies who call for me to die.
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considering how much you despise the separation of church and state, it wouldn't surprise me if you burned an American flag.
I would still support your right to do it, even if Americans killed Muslims, which would be like a birthday present for you
What rational Jew doesn't want separation of church and state?
Here, try this one and tell how people would react.
Go to Tea party rally in thus country. Gather up flags from the participants and build a pile in the center of the rally and set the pile on fire. See if you get out of there unscathed..... See if the organization you were a member of doesnt face harsh criticism, protest and maybe death threats.
So they would be justified in hurting someone who did that?
Human beings should act like mature adult human beings. Not bears. Not crazy nuts who kill people over books. Human beings who act like bears or crazy nuts should not expect an apology.
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Dear Eleanor,
The argument has gone from just plain idiotic to the sublimely idiotic.
Most sincerely,
O.V. Catto
Yeah. Silly me thinking our president might condemn people who murdered and called for the murder of Americans instead of people who burned a book by a sixth century pedophile.
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Bad analogy. If your American community was relying on Afghan troops for keeping the peace - with or without your consent - and they burned an American flag, would you feel an apology was owed?
No. It's just a piece of cloth. You have the right to express your feelings about that cloth without being physically hurt.
We are apologizing to crazy people who murder others over paper. I am repulsed.
They have no business sheltering people who attack our country. They're behaving like backwards morons. Why isn't that a problem?
Who attacked our country? We attacked theirs. We are an occupying force in Afghanistan. Pretty simple.
If you think this theocracy is backwards (your words, not my sentiment), I suppose you're against religious control of the US.
The people who cause people who die are those who act like barbarians. Acting as if you have the right to murder people because someone burned a book is like blaming a rape victim because you don't like how she was dressed.
Wait a second here, we're in THEIR country. OUR military member took what they perceive to be personal, religious attack and took action against the aggressors.
Yeah well call for my death and I tend to take it personally. Especially when the guy I elected APOLOGIZED to those who did!
The crowd chanted anti-American slogans, including “death to Americans,” “death to Obama,” and “death to Jews.”
Obama should stand up for Americans and for Jews and for Jewish Americans not bow and scrape to those who call for our literal murder.
You seem to be missing the part where we're the aggressors in THEIR COUNTRY.
One can only imagine the screeching by many leftists had a group of Americans in Oklahoma literally marched around demanding that Muslims drop dead . . .
We're in THEIR COUNTRY.
We are the AGGRESSORS.
They are at war with us and we throw oil on the fire.
They do not want us to be in their country.
If the US were attacked from outside, would you be happy?
why it is almost as if we are trying to start a bigger war or something, throwing oil on the fire.
if people are going to be outraged, they also need to be equally outraged that INNOCENT citizens in an occupied country are being "accidentally" killed as well.
once again, obama tries to take every side of every issue-sending soldiers in to other countries- and then apologizing for their behavior. WTH!
the sad part is that most of our citizens are decent law-abiding, country-respecting people who have no control over what our military complex leaders choose to do, and certainly don't wish to be spending money we don't have on wars we don't want.
i think the reason that people are mad at obama's apology is because they know that OUR people are being put in harm's way for no valid reason-particularly in afghanistan-a backward primitive country, where people live in extreme poverty-- and are losing what little they had.
but how else do you transfer american money out of the country and get away with it?
of course the bad news is that obama has proposed to freeze social spending in america because these wars are getting pretty darned expensive.
we have to ask-are we not only spending too much, but are we implementing bad policy? is this on purpose? are our leaders looking for a war, or are leaders just clueless?
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