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Old 02-22-2012, 09:49 PM
 
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Payroll tax cut to fund these things sure isn't helping any.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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Here we go again.....
First off, I'm not the typical Tea Partier. I recognize them for what they are. That's my point. We can't continue on our current path. Look at Greece. Even the the quasi-socialist countries of Canada, Germany, and Australia have caught us or passed us in terms of per capita income. In fact, the average Australian earns almost 30% more than the average American. And we work harder than they do. Our country is on the wrong path. We have to fix it now or will face the same consequences that Greece has faced.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:30 AM
 
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BS and you know it.
Are you aware that there were way too many young boomers for the number of jobs available when they came into the job market? The competition for jobs was fierce and affirmative action, quotas, race norming and set-asides came in at the same time, so it was even harder if you weren't a minority. I had to go to Viet Nam (four times)to keep a paycheck coming. Today, there aren't enough qualified applicants for the jobs available. So why aren't you qualified for one of the many jobs available?
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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BS and you know it.
You just can't face the facts. People who want jobs today can get them. Just like in the past. Winners find jobs wherever they can and make the best of it. Losers whine and sit on the sidelines.

"Employers had 3.4 million job openings at the end of December, up 258,000 since November for the biggest gain since February 2011, the Labor Department reported Tuesday.

There are lots of jobs available in professional and business services, an area that includes about 17 million of the 132.4 million working Americans. Employers there are looking for about 3.6 workers for every 100 they have now and hired 787,000 people in December, down from 845,000 in November."

More job openings, but job hunters don't have skills needed
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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First off, I'm not the typical Tea Partier. I recognize them for what they are. That's my point. We can't continue on our current path. Look at Greece. Even the the quasi-socialist countries of Canada, Germany, and Australia have caught us or passed us in terms of per capita income. In fact, the average Australian earns almost 30% more than the average American. And we work harder than they do. Our country is on the wrong path. We have to fix it now or will face the same consequences that Greece has faced.

Wrong! Per capita income in the USA is higher than Australia by three different measures. Depending on the source, Australia ranks 11, 13 or 12 while the USA ranks 7, 7 or 9.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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You just can't face the facts. People who want jobs today can get them. Just like in the past. Winners find jobs wherever they can and make the best of it. Losers whine and sit on the sidelines.

"Employers had 3.4 million job openings at the end of December, up 258,000 since November for the biggest gain since February 2011, the Labor Department reported Tuesday.

There are lots of jobs available in professional and business services, an area that includes about 17 million of the 132.4 million working Americans. Employers there are looking for about 3.6 workers for every 100 they have now and hired 787,000 people in December, down from 845,000 in November."

More job openings, but job hunters don't have skills needed
I'd be real curious to see what would happen if you had one of our boomer complainers and one of our boomers both competing for the same job. Wonder how each would handle it? How would they apply? Who would get the job? And the reasons the other didn't?
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I started working outside of the family business in 1982. I recall plenty of slackers back then and through the years. Nothing has changed except the different types of media to broadcast both the good and bad parts of society.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: NC
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I was asked a question similar to this today at a job interview. The guy asked me "whats your dream job". I told him my dream job was to be an actuary, but I have to persue this ambition at another time in my life as I am in need of money. So I was interviewing for his administrative assisstant position. I honestly don't want to be actuary. I don't like numbers and I don't have the intelligence to become a certified actuary.

Truth be told though, I don't have a "dream" job. Dream jobs are a baby boomer and generation X type of thing. Generation Y just wants A job. Did this man honestly think I went to college for five years to be his secretary? No! But I have bills to pay and I need a job. Both of my past interviews have asked me this question and I swear to god when asked again I am simply going to say my dream job is to not make minimum wage, or to be a top paid male escort. When 25% of America's youth are unemployed I simply find it down right insulting that a baby boomer has the audacity to ask me, a 24 year old, "what do you want to do when you grow up". I just want a job where I might be able to grow.

Oh, and my particular American dream does not include a house. I much prefer renting. Maybe if I can pay cash for a house someday I will buy one, but because I am extremely debt adverse I am extremely cautious of ever being a home owner.
I would give someone like yourself a job and an opportunity in a heartbeat.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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See this my point about saying this generation feels that way. I'm not part of the generation that you speak of. I'm a genXer. But I know what they mean by tired of seeing generation after generation being fleeced by the rich of this country. That guy adelman is a perfect example. He used corruption of the government to get rich and now is trying to buy the election. Guess what party he is backing?
From whichever "generation" you belong ... there was a system in place long before you were born, that operates on a set of rules that you were never provided. Instead, you were given a false idea about how the world operates, and a set rules to follow that would insure you remained in the dark. And to this very day, it seems to have worked flawlessly.

The reality is, we're all being fleeced. Even the ones you incorrectly identify as the "rich". The fact is, the class that you view as rich are probably the top tier of the vanishing middle class, and their heads are now on the chopping block, and you and others are volunteering to swing the axes.

You see, it's all a matter of perspective ... to the minimum wage person, someone making 100K a year is wealthy beyond their imaginations. And to the 100K salaried person, the Millionaire has made it to the promised land. But the truth is, all three are working for the "wealthy", and all three are being fleeced .... just on a different scale.

Now, this left-right ... republican-democrat blame game you seem stuck in is the foundation of this illusory world that was created for you, and until you break out of that, you'll never see the light of day, and will remain in the dark.

An analogy that might illuminate this point would be the NFL. During football season, every Sunday we have the great spectacle of NFL football. Let's now go to the stadium. What do we see? First, we've got our parking attendants, peanut, hot dog and beer vendors, ticket takers, and those nice seat finders to help you locate your section and seat. For the vast majority, we've got some old, cold, hard seats to sit in with varying degrees of visibility. For the lucky ones, the 50 yard line seats. But then, for the truly fortunate, we've got the box seats and luxury suits with soft comfortable chairs, climate control, and someone to fetch your refreshments. Ahhh ... the good life! Down on the field, we have the players to entertain the crowd, and by most standards, those players are more wealthy than 99% of the attendees coming to watch them play ... including those rather fortunate ones sitting in the premium section. Yes, that QB who's 50 Million Salary really does place him in that financially fortunate category. And some of those wealthy businessmen who can afford those $20,000 box seats aren't doing too bad either.

Now multiply that by 32 teams, spread out over the country from New York to San Francisco, Boston to Miami. 2-3 Million spectators, all of the service people, 2000 players and coaches ....etc. What do they all have in common? Every single one of them work for one of those 32 NFL Franchise team owners. Those real fortunate guys who each have a staff of employees who are in vast majority, Millionaires. They are paying the salaries of those 100+ players and coaches and trainers and support personnel. They pay for the travel and the hotels for the team, as well as their own private jets and servants that wait on them hand and foot. Their weekly expenses exceed the annual incomes of 99% of the people who have ever lived ... and they are the one's that the 50 Million dollar QB addresses "yes sir".

Now, lets again look at that Millionaire businessman sitting in the luxury suit ... watching the Multimillionaire QB throw the ball for the Billionaire who pays his salary ....OK ... get the picture?

Now, consider that there are probably about 100-200 people in this world today that could purchase in cash, ALL 32 teams, and their stadiums, and still have money left over. Those are the ones you will never see, that many don't even realize exist, who probably pay less in taxes than the freaking guy selling hot dogs.

Yet, the vast majority think the businessman sitting in the luxury suit is root of all evil and the cause of world's great problems. Let's take his money ... that will fix all the problems! How silly that is, when a little perspective is applied. The moment that axe chops off the head of that person sitting in the luxury suit ... all hope is lost for the hot dog man and you, the axe swinger.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Were you looking for a job 40 years ago? If not, you have no idea how hard it was to find a job.

Nothing has changed. And by the way, there are over 3 million job openings in the USA today. Some paying quite well. Work is going overseas because there aren't enough American welders. My company is looking for IT workers in the US.. etc, etc. I see "help wanted" signs at the strip malls all the time.

It's no harder to get a starter job today than it was 40 years ago.
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BS and you know it.
That's probably not BS. What's changed is probably the expectations of college graduates. Seriously, a lot of these kids will scoff or be crestfallen if you explain to them that they are NOT going to land a gig straight out of school that pays $200K for a 35 hour work week and 6 weeks vacation. Ask some of these kids with no property, no children and no encumbrances other than student debt why they will not accept "this job that pays $45k but involves living in (someplace other than NYC, LA, Chicago, San Fran, Miami, Dallas, etc.) and working weekends" and see what answers you get. I've heard things like "I don't want to get stuck doing that", "that doesn't have anything to do with what I studied", "I need to be in NY" etc. etc.

That's obviously not always the case, but kids lean heavily on crutches like "global recession" when there are lots of opportunities, especially if those opportunities are not conventionally sexy.
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