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well yes, I am liberal but not socialist. I understand the economic policies of the right but I still consider myself liberal and I pay taxes and have a part time job and go to college...I'm not going to turn 40 and suddenly hate gays and blacks and other minorities and turn to god...people do get more fiscally conservative but I really doubt more socially.
You're correct. I wasn't attempting to make that statement and I apologize for not being more clear in my statement. Thanks for the clarification!
Normal people do become more conservative with age and wisdom. Pragmatism is conservative trait, and not something that is associated with liberals. Liberals are idealists, the antonym of a pragmatist. Liberals begin their sentences with "I feel...", whereas conservatives begin their sentences with "I think..." Liberals are entirely emotion driven, devoid of any logic or reason. Conservatives are logic and reason driven.
Liberalism is a mental disease where only the very young and immature can indulge.
The liberal policies of today will be the accepted standard policies of the future. That has been the history of our country and most developed countries. Most liberals of today will probably become more moderate as they lose their enthusiasm, become more set in their ways and decline in their ability to envision a better future.
you actually have it backwards. Educated people tend to be Liberals while uneducated people tend to be conservatives.
There are plenty of conservatives, of several ages, who prove they have insufficient brains. Some of them in Congress (Jim DeMint, Steve King, Michelle Bachman), some of them Governors (Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Mark Sanford), some of them on the airwaves (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage).
I also find it funny how Conservatives always claim that artists are liberal because they think with emotion but scientists are as close to reality as you can get? also, conservatives think with fear which is an emotion. It seems they fear everything 24/7.
Because they understand that reality is best understood by respecting and learning from evidence. They make their decisions based upon facts, not propaganda.
You really have to get out of your mother's basement and quite smoking the crap!
"Anyone who is not a liberal while young has no heart and anyone who is not a conservative when older has no brain"
I disagree with the right-wing misconception of the quote, thinking you become conservative with age and wisdom.
In reality, younger people change the world as they see fit, as you get older, it breaks your heart to see the next generations change the world as they see fit, making you feel like you have no place in it anymore. This causes you to want to preserve some of the ways in which you made the world.
This is what it means, not the silly idea right-wingers have of the quote.
Its a cute and clever statement by a great political mind but it is just a catch phrase. First of all, in the time of Churchill liberal and conservative ideals were much simpler to define.... and he was talking more to the British political system. Americans have bastardized the definitions of "liberal" and "conservative"... it is much more complex than a catch phrase.
That statement says more about charity versus pragmatism. I just think the world is much more complex than putting those two words against each other. We can have charitable conservatives and pragmatic liberals... we can also have selfish liberals and reckless conservatives.
Obviously you are young and have only experienced half of the equation. When you are older, you will appreciate that what Churchill said was true. To be truthful, the only "old" liberals one runs across are literally insane. Most liberals are younger and are acting politically out of emotion.
Keep in mind that Churchill went through the genesis of conservative- liberal-conservative through his lifetime and had the advantage of age, political experience, and wisdom to make this analysis. Most liberals lack the benefit of all three advantages that Churchill had when making his observation.
In short, conservatives act via data, facts, and economic interest when making decisions. Liberals act via emotion and personal feelings when making decisions. Facts and economic interest rule the world- let's vote.
"Anyone who is not a liberal while young has no heart and anyone who is not a conservative when older has no brain"
I disagree with the right-wing misconception of the quote, thinking you become conservative with age and wisdom.
In reality, younger people change the world as they see fit, as you get older, it breaks your heart to see the next generations change the world as they see fit, making you feel like you have no place in it anymore. This causes you to want to preserve some of the ways in which you made the world.
This is what it means, not the silly idea right-wingers have of the quote.
Its a cute and clever statement by a great political mind but it is just a catch phrase. First of all, in the time of Churchill liberal and conservative ideals were much simpler to define.... and he was talking more to the British political system. Americans have bastardized the definitions of "liberal" and "conservative"... it is much more complex than a catch phrase.
That statement says more about charity versus pragmatism. I just think the world is much more complex than putting those two words against each other. We can have charitable conservatives and pragmatic liberals... we can also have selfish liberals and reckless conservatives.
First of all, I think there is some doubt that Churchill actually said that. Secondly, I know a lot of people who became/have become more liberal with time, not less. CD has a lot of young conservatives on here saying some of the meanest, nastiest things about poor people, sick people, women in general, etc.
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It has been scientifically proven that as one gets older, that person becomes more conservative.
Case in point, for example, is myself. When I was in high school (10 years ago at the tender age of 14) I considered myself a Liberal Democrat.
When I went through bootcamp for the Navy and experienced life in the military and the conservative mindset therein, my view points began to change. Not only because of that but because I grew older as well.
I went from considering myself a Liberal Democrat to considering myself an Independent/Moderate (Centrist, for easier terms). I still agree with most of what the liberals and Democrats say, but I realize that there has to be a balance so I understand why people choose to be conservative and Republican.
I don't agree with a lot of what the Right wing has to say, but I respect the balance that has to maintained here.
Getting back to the original point, as one gets older they do become more conservative. That's not a terrible thing either, it's just a fact of life. Cheers.
Your "case in point", yourself, does not support your statement about scientifc proof that people become more conservative with age.
I can give some counterpoints to that. My parents became more liberal as they got older. My good friend has become more liberal over time. A couple I know who used to be extremely conservative have now become almost flaming liberals. Certainly as people age they don't see things in such "black and white" terms as young people often do, whether they are liberal or conservative.
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Originally Posted by Glitch
Normal people do become more conservative with age and wisdom. Pragmatism is conservative trait, and not something that is associated with liberals. Liberals are idealists, the antonym of a pragmatist. Liberals begin their sentences with "I feel...", whereas conservatives begin their sentences with "I think..." Liberals are entirely emotion driven, devoid of any logic or reason. Conservatives are logic and reason driven.
Liberalism is a mental disease where only the very young and immature can indulge.
Yeah, right, like all this "family values" crap, anti-gay positions, anti-contraception, pro-Christianity, blah, blah. That's real logical and reason driven, not.
Your "case in point", yourself, does not support your statement about scientifc proof that people become more conservative with age.
I can give some counterpoints to that. My parents became more liberal as they got older. My good friend has become more liberal over time. A couple I know who used to be extremely conservative have now become almost flaming liberals. Certainly as people age they don't see things in such "black and white" terms as young people often do, whether they are liberal or conservative.
Oh okay. Well I was just using my personal experiences as an example to lend itself to my argument. Might not have been the best, per se, but I see your point.
Churchill was a statist who used his power to overthrow a nascent democracy in Iran.
Of course conservatives love power freaks.
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