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Old 01-02-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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Cochlear implant. Developed at Univ of Texas Dallas. Congratulations on it.

I'm not proposing how to best implement national health care by any means. But any universal health care will come with a budget and care will have to be rationed. England already won't put you on dialysis if you're in your 60's.

I'd care for patients on medicare and those with private insurance just the same. Everyone would get the best care I can provide.

It seems like we're on the same page but maybe different edges.
My mother-in-law in Bournemouth is 80 and has been on dialysis under the NHS for 2 years.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Well with the way we have allowed the funding for Medicare to be looted by the vote pandering left, we will be lucky to have "comfort care" in the future unless we tax the heck out of the working folks to shore it up. Does anyone think that we could continue to provide new scooters on demand, eye glasses, new dentures, spa treatments, unlimited physical therapy, nurses, oxygen, medications, personal drivers, new hips and shoulders, cataracts, whatever the person needs for generations? We have been far too generous with the curent and past recipients. 70 sounds rather young to be cut off but I am not surprised at all.
THE. OP. IS. NOT. TRUE.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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You guys have the best health care system!
Then why do some of them come here to get treated?
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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I don't want death panels here. If you want them go to the UK. We need to deal with this and stop pretending that it's not happening.
Better move to another country then; our death panels are called "insurance companies". They have entire departments of "loss prevention specialists" who are paid to deny claims, and delay payment to providers. We see lots of ads for these jobs in our local paper.

And, just in case no one ever read the health care bill, the "death panels" were simply adding consultations for end of life directives to the list of allowable charges under Medicare. As in, if you wanted to go to your doctor simply to change your living will, Medicare would pay for the office visit.

I swear, I wish people could read. (not you, pwiap, people who have agendas to stir up fear and hate)
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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You got any links for the bold actually happening?
You completely missed the point.
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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Better move to another country then; our death panels are called "insurance companies". They have entire departments of "loss prevention specialists" who are paid to deny claims, and delay payment to providers. We see lots of ads for these jobs in our local paper.

And, just in case no one ever read the health care bill, the "death panels" were simply adding consultations for end of life directives to the list of allowable charges under Medicare. As in, if you wanted to go to your doctor simply to change your living will, Medicare would pay for the office visit.

I swear, I wish people could read. (not you, pwiap, people who have agendas to stir up fear and hate)
Let's see, first you were telling people to watch how they talk...and now look at how you are talking....

Also, to deny a claim, you have to have treatment...right...so how would that be anywhere close to a death panel "after" you receive treatment?
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Let's see, first you were telling people to watch how they talk...and now look at how you are talking....

Also, to deny a claim, you have to have treatment...right...so how would that be anywhere close to a death panel "after" you receive treatment?
Not in all cases. Sometimes insurance companies require a "prior authorization" before they will pay for treatment. For example, a kid came into our office with a head injury from a trampoline accident. The ins. company required a prior auth before they would pay for an MRI of the child's head. In other words, the dr. had to justify the need for an MRI, with a head injury!
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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Not in all cases. Sometimes insurance companies require a "prior authorization" before they will pay for treatment. For example, a kid came into our office with a head injury from a trampoline accident. The ins. company required a prior auth before they would pay for an MRI of the child's head. In other words, the dr. had to justify the need for an MRI, with a head injury!
Really....wow.....O.K., I never would have thought that or even thought about it...
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:08 PM
 
Location: FL
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Sarah Palin Was Correct, -Death Panels Under O'bummer-care

I remember listening to Palin, Hannity etc etc etc talking about the "Death Panels" that make decissions in a UHC and how a single payer system would lead to the Govt deciding our heathcare as they stated happens in the UK health system.
What Palin and Co. said back then was absolute rubbish and still is today.
Many on here say how awful the so called "Obamacare" bill is without even reading the bill.
We now have people who are benefiting from the health care reform who have completely changed their minds and support it. The people who do not support the bill or want it repealled do not need to use or support a new health bill as they can afford great health cover or get great health cover from their job related health plans....... not sure why we should listen to the "Foxes" who want to govern the chicken coop.
In America today we have "Death Panels" and they are called Insurance Companies who will go out of their way to refuse a heath claim or even deny coverage to people who really need health care.
Palin, Hannity and "chums" get fantastic health care and do NOT have the faintest idea what is needed in the USA as far as health cover for everyday Americans. Of course they want to repeal the health bill as it might end up raising their premiums for health care or give everyday citizens decent health cover and that will never do in their book. They are Liars and selfish morons......... NO death panels exist under a Govt. Funded health system and the Medical professionals control who is treated NOT the Govt.... they just fund it and put rules in place to protect the patients and keep cost down. The NHS in the UK works and works well for all and puts the American system to shame........ in fact, the American health system is now one of the worst in the World....... something to be ashamed of and not praised..... A UHC created here would improve the health of the Nation and would probably get rid of unemployment overnight....... oh i forgot........ the Lawmakers have far too much invested in keeping the big Insurance companies rich...... too bad...... i really thought they wanted America to benefit in the, not their bank balance
I have seen that with my mother. In the hospital she was in they have a hospitalist and they decide with the insurance company even when the specialist requests it.
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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Really....wow.....O.K., I never would have thought that or even thought about it...
Here's another one for you to think about. Back in 8/2003, a friend was having rectal bleeding. She went to her primary care doctor and asked for a referral to a colorectal surgeon. Her PC dr. said she had hemorrhoids and refused to refer her. According to her insurance company, she could not see a specialist w/o a referral. She was not able to change her PC dr. for two months and it took another month before she could see the specialist. By the time she had her colonoscopy (12/2003), her colon was completely blocked. She was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer - it had already spread to her liver. She fought long and hard for 6 years. She died in 2008 at 55 years old.

If you can't afford the right insurance, death panels have existed for a long time...
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