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Not every skyscraper is constructed the same way. Find out how WT7 was constructed, find structures with similar construction, check if any burned under the same conditions that WT7 did, and determine if they collapsed or not.
Throwing burning buildings onto the screen to defend your position does not work if their only similarity is that they are tall and on fire.
Not every skyscraper is constructed the same way. Find out how WT7 was constructed, find structures with similar construction, check if any burned under the same conditions that WT7 did, and determine if they collapsed or not.
Throwing burning buildings onto the screen to defend your position does not work if their only similarity is that they are tall and on fire.
They would also need to be on fire of the same temperature, which means the same fuel, wind and oxygen transfer. Also the support structure would need to be equally accessible to the heat (lagging/insulation).
And most importantly, the floors with the fire would need to have the same number of floors above them, so they don't have widely varying amounts of pressure on the support skeleton.
Also, buildings in earthquake zones are built to different standards.
But, but, but conspiracy theories give fanatical morons some semblance of purpose and order in a world of chaos! What better way to mentally compartmentalize complex events than to make up stupid s*** so far-fetched that it can never be proven or dis-proven? If one theory is debunked, well just make up something else even more far-fetched, because that's clearly the logical response. Why deny them this inner peace in their otherwise pathetic lives? I say let them dream, let EVERYONE dream, because I believe in the power of dreams.
FACT 1: WTC Building 7 was one of the largest buildings in downtown Manhattan. It was 47 stories tall, about half the height of the Towers, and took up an entire city block. It was 300 feet from the closest Twin Tower (the North Tower, WTC 1), and was a steel-framed, concretestructure.
FACT 2: WTC Building 7 – on its 23rd floor – housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s. On the morning of September 11th, Mayor Giuliani did not go “to his Command Center – with its clear view of the Twin Towers – but to a makeshift, street-level headquarters at 75 Barkley Street.”WTC 7 also held theoffices of numerous government agencies, includingthe Department of Defense, the CIA, the Secret Service, the IRS, and the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC). Late 2001 was the time of “the height of the investigation into Enron, so the majority of Enron’s SEC filings were likely destroyed when World Trade Center 7 came down.”
FACT 3:WTC Building 7 was not hit by airplane or significant debris on September 11th. It had been evacuated after the planes hit the towers. By the afternoon of September 11th, there were a few small fires of unknown origin evident in the building, and these small fires could be seen in only a few of the hundreds and hundreds of windows in the building.
FACT 4: On September 11, 2001, at 5:20PM, EDT, World Trade Center Building 7 suddenly and rapidly collapsed. Beginning with the penthouse, all 47 stories ofitimplodedinto its own footprintin less than seven seconds. Three different videos of Building 7’s vertical collapse – two from CBS video broadcasts, and one from an NBC news camera – can be seen online at http://wtc7.net/videos.html.
FACT 5: On September 16th, NASA flew an airplane over the World Trade Center site, recorded infrared radiation coming from the ground, and created a thermal map. The U.S. Geological Survey analyzed this data, and determined the actual temperature of the rubble. This map shows that five days afterthe collapse of Building 7,the surface temperature of asection of its rubble was1,341º F. This high a temperature is indicative of the use of explosives.
“WTC 7’s rubble pile continued to smolder for months.”
FACT 6: Fire Engineering magazine is the 125-year-old paper-of-record of the fire engineering community. Bill Manning, editor-in-chief, wrote an Editor’s Opinion in the January, 2002 edition. His editorial, $elling Out the Investigation, pointed out that destruction of evidence – the hurried removal of rubble which should be examined by investigators – is illegal. He also issued a “call to action”. To quote excerpts:
“For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions … is on the slow boat to China …”
“I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.”
“Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the ‘official investigation’ blessed by FEMA [Federal Emergency Management Agency] and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half baked farce [emphasis mine] that may have already been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members – described by one close source as a ‘tourist trip’ – no one’s checking evidence for anything.”
“The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.”
“Firefighters, this is your call to action. …contact your representatives in Congress and officials in Washington and help us correct this problem immediately.”
FACT 7: In May of 2002, FEMA published their report #403 titled World Trade Center Building Performance Study. This report claims that the fires caused the building to collapse, but that the specifics of how this is supposed to have occurred “…remain unknown at this time.”
FACT 8:The collapse of WTC Building 7 shows five characteristics of a controlled demolition:
It “dropped directly into its own footprint in a smooth, vertical motion”;
It “collapsed completely in less than seven seconds”;
“Dust streamed out of the upper floors of Building 7 early in its collapse”;
“WTC 7’s roof inverted toward its middle as the collapse progressed”; and
“WTC 7’s rubble was mostly confined to the block on which the building stood.”
FACT 9: “Larry Silverstein is a rather large player within the realms of 21st Century real estate, finance, and politics.” He “…had taken out a long lease on the World Trade Center only six weeks before 9/11. In a PBS documentary entitled ‘America Rebuilds’, originally aired in September of 2002, Silverstein made the following statement about Building 7:
‘I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, “We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.” And they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.’”
FACT 10: “It is inconceivable that anyone could be running around placing explosives in exactly the right places all within seven hours. In fact, implosions take a minimum of two weeks and up to two months to plan and place the charges. The fire department of New York does not even train their personnel to do controlled demolition. They are done by highly skilled experienced specialists who plan and test far ahead.”
FACT 11: “… [George W.] Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principles in the company [Stratesec, formerly named Securacom] that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center, with Walker being the CEO from 1999 until January 2002.”
Larry Silverstein, stated in so many words that the building had been collapsed by demolition. It takes weeks, if not months, to prepare the demolition of a building as large as WTC 7; this implosion could not have been engineered and implemented in seven chaotic hours on September 11th.
It has been alleged that a plane crashed in Pennsylvania. Rumsfeld said on television that it had been shot down.
Federal laws, NTSB rules and regulations, FAA rules and regulations and Pennsylvania State laws and regulations were violated because Flight 93 was never re-assembled, and the law requires it to be re-assembled.
Because Flight 93 was never re-assembled we may never know what actually happened. However, the evidence suggests it was shot down. Rumsfeld's claim that Flight 93 was shot down is not the only evidence. The size of the debris is contrary to the government's claims, and the fact that the port engine was located several miles away is contrary evidence to the government's claims.
The evidence suggests the port engine was struck by an AIM-9 Sidewinder heat-seeking missile, knocking the engine from its mounting; the remaining port wing then sheared off at the engine mount, resulting in the plane falling out of the sky (as witnesses observed).
Yes, but it should be noted that instead of diving the aircraft directly into the Pentagon, the alleged hi-jacker flew over the Pentagon and brought the aircraft about 270° risking a stall, and then dived into the Pentagon, and oddly, struck a section that was under refurbishment and so very few people were present in that section at the time.
Unfortunately, we do not have the base station cell-logs. If someone would be willing to provide copies of the billing statements, that would suffice.
But we don't know whose plan.
If my area of operations is Southwest Asia, do I not have contacts in the Pakistani ISI?
And then I have control of the Towers and I can plant PBX all over the place. I just have my Israeli friends move the plastic explosives in their Urban Moving Systems moving vans to the towers and we'll shut the towers down the over the weekend prior and cut off the telephone, electricity, internet and get rid of those pesky security guards with their bomb dogs.
See how easy that is?
That's child's play.
Did you happen to notice there is no evidence linking the two groups of hijackers? The didn't communicate with one another, and apparently each had no idea that the other group was there. That's evidence of a piggy-back operation, you know when someone commits a crime and then you piggy-back another crime onto their crime so that they get the blame for it. You see it all the time. A restaurant gets burglarized during the night, and when someone comes in the morning to open up, they quickly stash a few 100 pounds of meat and blame it on the burglars.
Anyone know who Terry Hogan is?
No one's been reading the news? Well, apparently, in order for the CIA to convince the pilots to fly "rendered" prisoners out of countries into other countries to be tortured (or to Gitmo), CIA agents gave the pilots a letter signed by someone in the State Department whose name was Terry Hogan.
So it's now been discovered that there never was anyone in the State Department named Terry Hogan. It's a bogus name. You can read about it here:
The CIA's "rendition program" was going on for some time before 9-11, so as some of you know, there's a half-dozen or so alleged hi-jackers who entered the US but no one knows where or how or when they entered the US.
Perhaps they entered on one of the CIA's "rendition" flights.
I'm a school-trained arson investigator, and although I never investigated an arson as an arson investigator, I can tell you that there is such an animal as a Standard Fire Curve:
As you can plainly see, it takes 90 minutes for even a chance of a steel beam deflecting a mere 1 millimeter. A deflection of 1 millimeter is not catastrophic, and there isn't an arson investigator or civil engineer on the planet who would disagree.
It takes 8-10 hours for a 5 millimeter deflection, and even that isn't catastrophic.
While we're at it:
Pursuant to the FEMA Report, the government admits that each aircraft had less than 10,000 gallons of aviation fuel, in this case, JP-5.
The Report also claims that approximately 3,000 gallons of JP-5 burned off during the initital impact.
For these calculations, it is assumed that all remaining 7,000 gallons remained on the floor of impact and that NO fuel spilled onto the floors below. The NIST Report claims that some fuel spilled down into the "utilitiy core shaft" (both FEMA and NIST are loathe to admit that the towers were built on a central core and insist maintaining the false suggestion that the towers were "steel frame buildings").
Each floor was approximately 1 acre in size. Half the floor space or about 22,700 square feet are used in the calculations, since realistically, the central core would have prevented fuel from flowing to the other side of the floor. It also favors the government's argument, because the more confined the fuel is, the slower it burns.
4,383,492 BTUs per second would not possibly create temperatures in the range sufficient to even cause any stress of the steel. Regardless, unless pure oxygen was introduced into the fires, they could never have reached temperatures to have a detrimental affect on steel. This becomes obvious momentarily.
By the way, that's called science.
The flash fire from the JP-5 would have burned off in about 3 minutes and 20 seconds. Based on video evidence of both towers, that's fairly accurate, if not completely precise
Watch this. This is cool, especially since it is from all four sides.
Nothing except for the assumptions about Flight 93, the terrorists, the origin of the plan and the Towers collapsing.
However all the beams were unter 120% of their normal load due to the plane impact knocking out about 20% of the structure on the impact floors, making steel much more vunerable to even very little deflection.
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