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Old 08-23-2011, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Unbelievable, this thread is still going, people do NOT feed the Trolls.
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I would support a move by the mods to not allow any more birther threads.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:52 AM
 
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A plea to all non-birfers.

Just stop responding to these threads. They are nothing more than spam.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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I would support a move by the mods to not allow any more birther threads.
LOL I didn't even see this post when I posted my plea.

At least cordon them off in their own asylum.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Note again the definition of natural born citizen provided by Wong Kim Ark. Permanent residency of the parents is irrelevant.
Wong Kim Ark was affirmed a citizen. He was not affirmed a natural born citizen.

Your statement "permanent residency of the parents is irrelevant" is factually incorrect and and an outright falsehood.

In plain simple English Gray explained how the parents had to have permanent residence and domicil.

Obama Sr was not domiciled and a permanent resident.

Gray...

The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, DOMICILED within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."

"It necessarily follows that persons born in China, subjects of the Emperor of China but DOMICILED in the United States,"

"His father and mother were persons of Chinese descent, and subjects of the Emperor of China; they were at the time of his birth DOMICILED residents of the United States, having previously established and still enjoying a PERMANENT DOMICIL and RESIDENCE therein at San Francisco;"

"The question presented by the record is whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a PERMANENT DOMICIL and RESIDENCE in the United States,"


"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties, were to present for determination the single question, stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of PARENTS of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but HAVE a PERMANENT DOMICIL and RESIDENCE in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a CITIZEN of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

Order affirmed.

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Old 08-23-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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Wong Kim Ark was affirmed a citizen. He was not affirmed a natural born citizen.

Your statement "permanent residency of the parents is irrelevant" is factually incorrect and and an outright falsehood.

In plain simple English Gray explained how the parents had to have permanent residence and domicil.

Obama is not a natural born citizen by this Supreme Court decision.

Gray...

The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."

"It necessarily follows that persons born in China, subjects of the Emperor of China but domiciled in the United States,"


"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties, were to present for determination the single question, stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of PARENTS of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but HAVE a PERMANENT DOMICIL and RESIDENCE in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a CITIZEN of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

Order affirmed.
Again, only two kinds of citizens in the United States: those who were naturalized, and those who are born citizens. There isn't any third kind of citizenship.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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"His father and mother were persons of Chinese descent, and subjects of the Emperor of China; they were at the time of his birth domiciled residents of the United States, having previously established and still enjoying a permanent domicil and residence therein at San Francisco"

"Wong Kim Ark, ever since his birth, has had but one residence, to wit, in California, within the United States, and has there resided, claiming to be a citizen of the United States, and has never lost or changed that residence, or gained or acquired another residence;"

United States v WKA


Indonesia school registration documents claim Obama a citizen of Indonesia.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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"His father and mother were persons of Chinese descent, and subjects of the Emperor of China; they were at the time of his birth domiciled residents of the United States, having previously established and still enjoying a permanent domicil and residence therein at San Francisco"

"Wong Kim Ark, ever since his birth, has had but one residence, to wit, in California, within the United States, and has there resided, claiming to be a citizen of the United States, and has never lost or changed that residence, or gained or acquired another residence;"

Indonesia school registration document claim Obama a citizen of Indonesia.



United States v WKA
Only two kinds of citizens, those born as US citizens, and those who have been naturalized. Obama was born a US citizen. Indonesia is irrelevant.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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Wong Kim Ark was......
again, if you truly believe what you are saying then why haven't you hired a respected constitutional law attorney to champion the case?

you keep ranting that the US constitution has been violated but you're not willing to do anything more about it then to complain in a blog and leave the legal aspects in the hands of orly taitz. even orly's most die-hard supporters would be hard pressed to define her as a successful lawyer.

so, why haven't you ?
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Again, only two kinds of citizens in the United States: those who were naturalized, and those who are born citizens. There isn't any third kind of citizenship.
Oh for God's sake, you cannot invent your own reality. Canoe is correct, you are intentionally being obtuse. You know damn well the difference between "natural born citizen and a naturalized citizen. Quit playing games. The President is the only office holder of this country that requires natural born citizenship. That is a special requirement for proof of allegiance. Common sense can tell you that.
Before you ask, wreckingball, I do not know why Congress and the court has allowed this usurpation. I imagine it is because they fear the consequences from exposing this fraud. I fear the consequences of another day of his disloyalty to this country and our Constitution.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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Indonesia school registration documents claim Obama a citizen of Indonesia.
yet US and indonesian law say that wouldn't be possible.
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