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The difference, as of right now, is that the child resides within the female's body. When formed fetuses can be removed from the mother's body and into a surrogate or test-tube with little to no discomfort to the woman (major surgery is not an option), then the guy will be able to raise a child without the mother having a say in it. She should also be given the ability to sign away all rights just as a guy should have the ability (I specified my idea later on in this post)
Except forcing her to go through pregnancy (which wreaks havoc on a woman's body) against her will is just... wow.
I think a father should be able to sign away his rights up until the "point of no return" (around 26 weeks or so) in a pregnancy. If he finds out after the child is already born or that "point of no return", he should be given a specified time period (3 weeks?) to decide whether or not he wants.
That should be changed.
Nope.
I'm pro-choice and think either parent should be able to say "Yes I want the kid" regardless of what the other wants. However, this can only be achieved when a formed fetus can be successfully removed from a woman's body and implanted somewhere else.
I don't agree with forcing a woman through an unwanted pregnancy just because a non-participant wants her to. By "Non-Participant", I mean the Co-Creator of the child who doesn't have to deal with swollen feet, swollen hands, swollen body in general, going from crying to hyper to savage-angry in the matter of two minutes, the need for all new clothes, peeing every 30 seconds, inability to deal with heat, as well as the possible complications (up to and including death) that come with pregnancy.
This isnt a Nuclear sub. Both parents dont need to "turn the keys" to have the baby.
You have yet to provide a way youd like to fix this law.
And if they can force us to pay child support, we should be able to force them to get an abortion
If a law was passed where child support is voluntary, that would make it fair for both genders. We wouldn't force them to get an abortion, but they wouldn't force us to pay child support.
After all, if she really wants the baby so badly, she should pay. Because if she doesn't want a baby, she can get out of paying.
There would be no need for these laws if "Voluntary child support" worked.
What protection does the woman have from men who promise to take care of the baby then decide they don't want one?
And if they can force us to pay child support, we should be able to force them to get an abortion
If a law was passed where child support is voluntary, that would make it fair for both genders. We wouldn't force them to get an abortion, but they wouldn't force us to pay child support.
After all, if she really wants the baby so badly, she should pay. Because if she doesn't want a baby, she can get out of paying.
Kid, you really need to get out and experience life, your world view is much too narrow.
What an odd statement to make....you think having a baby, and possibly having to raise it on your own ...is an easy decision?? with nothing to worry about???....If you are so worried about creating a child, then get a vasectomy....
I believe the point is, the woman is free to have an abortion without any say from the father.
in Texas, a woman is legally free to abandon her child with no questions asked, if she drops it off at a hospital or fire station. Other states have similar laws.
Men don’t enjoy any such rights.
they certainly are equal to women in the choice to have sex. However, from that point if conception occurs, a man has zero rights and many responsibilities.
ALL power/rights after conception are the purview of the woman.
It isn’t on point with this thread, but even with a divorcing couple, men are not treated equally with women. A woman nearly always gets primary custody of the children even if she is far less financially able to care for the kids. Unless a woman is found to be utterly incompetent, courts give the kids to the woman and give the man a bill.
This isnt a Nuclear sub. Both parents dont need to "turn the keys" to have the baby.
You have yet to provide a way youd like to fix this law.
Huh. And here I thought I had written in plain English.
Once a baby has already been formed:
1) The woman doesn't need the guy at all if she wants to have the child.
2) The man does need the girl if he wants to have the child.
Ergo, if she wants the child, she just keeps the pregnancy. If he wants the child and she doesn't - there's no way to "transplant" the baby.
My idea ("law") would require the ability to easily and quickly remove the fetus into a surrogate. That way, either parent can walk away without forcing the other into caring for a child he/she doesn't want. As of right now, we don't have that capability.
As long as males are 100% dependent upon the female to deliver said child, they can't have a child she doesn't want to deliver. However, they should, however, be able to sign away all legal and financial rights and responsibilities anytime within the first 26 weeks of pregnancy or within 3 (?) weeks of finding out if after said point.
Once we have transplant capabilities, either parent can terminate legal and financial rights and responsibilities and the other can still have the child.
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Originally Posted by Ferd
It isn’t on point with this thread, but even with a divorcing couple, men are not treated equally with women. A woman nearly always gets primary custody of the children even if she is far less financially able to care for the kids. Unless a woman is found to be utterly incompetent, courts give the kids to the woman and give the man a bill.
I was raised solely by my father and had the stereotypical deadbeat non-custodial parent who barely paid child support, complained that the amount was too high, and only visited once in a blue moon.
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