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Old 05-04-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Any similarities between then and now?...
No retraction from the OP now that we have proved his numbers wrong?
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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No retraction from the OP now that we have proved his numbers wrong?
My numbers are right... No one proved any of my numbers wrong...
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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My numbers are right... No one proved any of my numbers wrong...
Actually two of us did. Unless all other forms of death dropped dramatically your insinuation that the depression caused 7 million deaths is completely false.

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It is BS stats like this why I am no longer a Democrat. Go here to page 83 for the TOTAL deaths by year and death rate. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1940-02.pdf

As you can see the death rate in 1928 (boom years) was 12.1 the highest it ever hit in the 30's was 11.5.

This is exactly like the Mitch Snyder BS in the 80's, I repeated his lie for years before I used a calculator.

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No, just the disinformation you spew.

Far more than 7 Million people died during the Great Depression, but that is nothing out of the ordinary.

The per capita death rate in 1920 was 13.0 but that had dropped to 11.1 by 1930. The per capita death rate stayed between 11.6 and 10.6 for the entire decade of the 1930s.

Since the population in 1930 was 123+ Million and population increased every year ending with 132+ Million in 1940, far more than 7 Million people died since about 1.5 Million naturally died every year anyway.

That means by 1938, more than 12 Million people died, but there's absolutely nothing extraordinary about that.

If the Great Depression had never occurred, 12 Million people would have died anyway, because that was the natural death rate.

The natural death rate didn't drop below 10.0 until 1948 where it continually declined up to the present. The reason for the decline of course has been advances in medicine and in 1948 widespread use of penicillin plus knowledge gained from battlefield medical trauma was being put to good use.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: California
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Any similarities between then and now?...
Nope, back then people were proud and out working their rears off in the fields trying to survive, now they sit in thier living room on city data and watching tv wanting a government handout.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:23 PM
 
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You hired one to be president.
I did?... So who's the Republican candidate who's going to lose in 2012?...
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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Actually two of us did. Unless all other forms of death dropped dramatically your insinuation that the depression caused 7 million deaths is completely false.
7 MILLION people died as a result of the Great Depression... i.e. Malnutrition, crime, suicide, etc... The grand total of course is higher...
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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7 MILLION people died as a result of the Great Depression... i.e. Malnutrition, crime, suicide, etc... The grand total of course is higher...
What were you trained at the Mitch Snyder school of statistics?

So why did the overall death rate drop? Did people stop dying of old age?

In 1928 before the crash and depths of the depression 1,378,675 people died, the numbers dropped during the first 3 (worst) years of the depression so by 1932 only 1,308,529 people. This is despite over a 4 million person growth in the population.

What ever website or person is feeding this BS to you is lying, you are parroting lies. As I said, I used to parrot the lie by Mitch Snyder that 45 homeless died every minute under Reagan. Do yourself a favor, don't trust partisans, do your own research, it saves a lot of embarrassment.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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What were you trained at the Mitch Snyder school of statistics?

So why did the overall death rate drop? Did people stop dying of old age?

In 1928 before the crash and depths of the depression 1,378,675 people died, the numbers dropped during the first 3 (worst) years of the depression so by 1932 only 1,308,529 people. This is despite over a 4 million person growth in the population.

What ever website or person is feeding this BS to you is lying, you are parroting lies. As I said, I used to parrot the lie by Mitch Snyder that 45 homeless died every minute under Reagan. Do yourself a favor, don't trust partisans, do your own research, it saves a lot of embarrassment.
My stats are correct... What Right Wing blog site are you getting yours from?...
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:47 PM
 
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You mean that people don't die during depressions?
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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My stats are correct... What Right Wing blog site are you getting yours from?...
The US Census that I posted earlier, where are yours from?

Page 83.

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcom...ts/1940-02.pdf

I know you need to try and paint me as a right winger, it makes these debates easier for you, unfortunately you are way off. I deal in facts, not spin. I would love to see your source.
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