Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-14-2011, 07:47 AM
 
Location: truckee calif
54 posts, read 61,534 times
Reputation: 45

Advertisements

MEDICARE VOUCHERS; A FRAUD
Against seniors and the Federal government

Minuteman Message Board • View topic - MEDICARES VOUCHERS; A FRAUD
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-14-2011, 07:50 AM
 
Location: North America
19,784 posts, read 15,107,428 times
Reputation: 8527
An idiotic, stupid, stupid, stupid plan that will cost this country dearly.

I cannot believe the GOP backs this.

So much for compassionate conservatism.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
31,767 posts, read 28,811,904 times
Reputation: 12341
Quote:
Originally Posted by carterstamp View Post
An idiotic, stupid, stupid, stupid plan that will cost this country dearly.

I cannot believe the GOP backs this.


So much for compassionate conservatism.
I do. They are naturally driven to back anything that is idiotic and stupid.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
39,868 posts, read 26,495,821 times
Reputation: 25766
Quote:
Originally Posted by eelezah1288 View Post
MEDICARE VOUCHERS; A FRAUD
Against seniors and the Federal government

Minuteman Message Board • View topic - MEDICARES VOUCHERS; A FRAUD
So please tell us, what is your plan to address the problem? Other than link to whiners on other message boards? Anyone with third grade math skills realizes that we can't keep doing what we're doing and just ignore it. Which leaves the man-boy POTUS out of the debate, unfortunately.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:13 AM
 
4,428 posts, read 4,481,378 times
Reputation: 1356
Eelezah,

If you are 71 like the person you cited in your link - then you and that person will be the two only people in the United States who will receive vouchers and have to shop around for insurance at that age.


You could have at least looked at a couple of other sources for your information. Shopping around will indeed be a challenge for someone with such little ambition - unless you meant to denigrate the Ryan plan without researching it honestly.




Ryan, R-Wis., said he wants to "protect" people who are currently 55 or older by giving them Medicare exactly as it exists today. "We don’t want to pull the rug out from people on their way to retirement," he said.

Those now younger than 55 would get a voucher to buy private insurance when they become eligible. He likens this idea to the health insurance program for federal employees – including members of Congress – who can choose from a menu of federally certified health plans.

Voucher amounts would vary depending on an individual's income and health status. The higher the income, the lower the subsidy. Low-income people, he said, would pay little if anything, and those in the center of the middle class would fare about the same as they do now. If a person became ill and needed more medical care, more financial help would become available.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: North America
19,784 posts, read 15,107,428 times
Reputation: 8527
Those now younger than 55 would get a voucher to buy private insurance when they become eligible. He likens this idea to the health insurance program for federal employees – including members of Congress – who can choose from a menu of federally certified health plans.


Again, it begs the question, how expensive will those insurance plans be? Remember insurance costs are not the same for a person in their 70's as they are for younger people. It may not affect retirees now, and most of the "boomers", but what happens when the Gen X, Y and Millenials age?

Another "it looks good on paper" plan that won't pan out.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:45 AM
 
4,428 posts, read 4,481,378 times
Reputation: 1356
Quote:
Originally Posted by carterstamp View Post
Those now younger than 55 would get a voucher to buy private insurance when they become eligible. He likens this idea to the health insurance program for federal employees – including members of Congress – who can choose from a menu of federally certified health plans.


Again, it begs the question, how expensive will those insurance plans be? Remember insurance costs are not the same for a person in their 70's as they are for younger people. It may not affect retirees now, and most of the "boomers", but what happens when the Gen X, Y and Millenials age?

Another "it looks good on paper" plan that won't pan out.

Voucher amounts would vary depending on an individual's income and health status. The higher the income, the lower the subsidy. Low-income people, he said, would pay little if anything, and those in the center of the middle class would fare about the same as they do now. If a person became ill and needed more medical care, more financial help would become available.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:49 AM
 
3,045 posts, read 3,192,481 times
Reputation: 1307
The larger question is will someone at 71 be able to find ANYONE to insure them. For Ryan, the question wouldn't be an issue for a decade or more and getting rid of a program like this charges parts of his base. The consequences likely don't matter to him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Midwest
38,496 posts, read 25,808,661 times
Reputation: 10789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
So please tell us, what is your plan to address the problem? Other than link to whiners on other message boards? Anyone with third grade math skills realizes that we can't keep doing what we're doing and just ignore it. Which leaves the man-boy POTUS out of the debate, unfortunately.
Medicare was the answer for seniors who were flat out denied health insurance by companies.

The sickest seniors will either be denied, or will not be able to afford private health insurance, if Medicare is privatized. These people will ultimately die early from lack of proper medical care.

Why doesn't the GOP just get it over with and euthanize sick senior citizens! What they propose is, in effect, doing that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-14-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Midwest
38,496 posts, read 25,808,661 times
Reputation: 10789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yooperkat View Post
Eelezah,

If you are 71 like the person you cited in your link - then you and that person will be the two only people in the United States who will receive vouchers and have to shop around for insurance at that age.


You could have at least looked at a couple of other sources for your information. Shopping around will indeed be a challenge for someone with such little ambition - unless you meant to denigrate the Ryan plan without researching it honestly.




Ryan, R-Wis., said he wants to "protect" people who are currently 55 or older by giving them Medicare exactly as it exists today. "We don’t want to pull the rug out from people on their way to retirement," he said.

Those now younger than 55 would get a voucher to buy private insurance when they become eligible. He likens this idea to the health insurance program for federal employees – including members of Congress – who can choose from a menu of federally certified health plans.

Voucher amounts would vary depending on an individual's income and health status. The higher the income, the lower the subsidy. Low-income people, he said, would pay little if anything, and those in the center of the middle class would fare about the same as they do now. If a person became ill and needed more medical care, more financial help would become available.
Ryan wants to "protect" a large portion of the voting population.

Does Ryan guarantee the same insurance as the health insurance program for federal employees – including members of Congress – who can choose from a menu of federally certified health plans?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top