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Old 09-11-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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If you receive welfare or social assistance for more than a year, your vote should be temporarily halted until you are off of assistance for more than a year.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Well let's make a list of the "entitlement class", BTW which governmental agency made this an actual class of people or is this another manner to divide and distance some people from the mainstream of society.

"Entitlement class"

Those receiving:
social security
Medicare
Medicaid
Those receiving tax breaks via accountants that manipulate the tax code
those receiving a child care tax credit
those receiving disability
those receiving unemployment
those who get property tax abatement
those receiving education tax credits
those receiving earned income tax credit
first time home buyer credit
home mortgage interest credit
real estate credit
those receiving section 8
those receiving food stamps

After we eliminate these folk receiving
entitlements, I believe some people may come to their senses and act like adults.

What I'm most happy to see is that no sane, responsible politician would ever endorse such backward non sense.
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Okay.

Invest in a housing project (using YOUR money) and offer those homes to "the poor".

Use their "affordability" to determine their payment.

There is no law preventing you from doing this.

Sorry, you apparently fail on the concept of individual liberty.

Individual liberty entails the right of one individual to purchase from another individual real property in increments the purchaser can afford.
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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What does that even mean?

You sound like you have an ax to grind.

Who doesn't have the right to own property?

Property ownership isn't a right. It's a privilege.

I do have an ax to grind.

Read John Locke and then read the Declaration of Independence and tell me if you notice anything funny about or missing in the Declaration.

Do you have a local zoning code? Within it you will find exactly who doesn't have the right to own property.

Oh, and John Locke said people DO have a right to own property. Do you know something he didn't?
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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Well let's make a list of the "entitlement class", BTW which governmental agency made this an actual class of people or is this another manner to divide and distance some people from the mainstream of society.

"Entitlement class"

Those receiving:
social security
Medicare
Medicaid
Those receiving tax breaks via accountants that manipulate the tax code
those receiving a child care tax credit
those receiving disability
those receiving unemployment
those who get property tax abatement
those receiving education tax credits
those receiving earned income tax credit
first time home buyer credit
home mortgage interest credit
real estate credit
those receiving section 8
those receiving food stamps

After we eliminate these folk receiving
entitlements, I believe some people may come to their senses and act like adults.

What I'm most happy to see is that no sane, responsible politician would ever endorse such backward non sense.
You're not overly familiar with most Republican pols, I take it?

lol
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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Perhaps you are unaware of the difference between absolute ownership and qualified ownership.

Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

"REAL ESTATE .... is synonymous with real property"
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., From p.1263

"REAL PROPERTY ... A general term for lands, tenements, heriditaments; which on the death of the owner intestate, passes to his heir."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed.,p.1218

"ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein." - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage of accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but less than title.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 812

TITLE - "The formal right of ownership of property..."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1485

LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

PROPERTY TAX - "An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city or county, on the value of real or personal property that the taxpayer owns on a specified date."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218

Estate in land means temporary / limited / qualified ownership.

Private property = protected from being taken for public use.
Estate = not protected from being taken for public use.

So are you saying that the Constitution expanded upon Locke's property rights?

Poor Americans don't have the right to purchase private property in increments they can afford. Minimum lot sizes price out the poor.
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:42 PM
 
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Yea.

Allowing more felons to vote would help things.
Every one that signed the declaration of independence was committing treason. This nation was founded by a bunch of criminals. Take the Vote away from Thomas Jefferson? Good idea the redcoats would have liked that one.
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Old 09-12-2011, 04:59 AM
 
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Every one that signed the declaration of independence was committing treason. This nation was founded by a bunch of criminals. Take the Vote away from Thomas Jefferson? Good idea the redcoats would have liked that one.
Oh be quiet.
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Old 09-12-2011, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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His definition would include women who have made the choice to stay at home and to raise their children (as the cons want); the unemployed through no fault of their own...
Looks to me like the OP wants white men to vote and will find excuses to deny the right to vote to others unlike him.

Is that any different than the election of 2000? blacks by the thousands had their right to vote challenged and were classified as felons, simply to deny them the right to vote as they would most likely vote for the democrat.

Then thousands had their votes stolen by the head of the elections.

then thousands had their votes disqualified because of chaff

Then those democrats serving in foreign bases were challenged and their right to vote removed.

Need we mentioned a biased supreme court taking the right to vote away?

The point was simple. the brother of the governor was going to win the election by hook or crook.

It must have roasted their nuts that a black candidate got the black vote out in droves, and then so many white voters turned against the white candidate. The news media would call a state for McCain with only 2% of the vote in but wouldn't when more than 50% was in and in favor of Obama.

I'm afraid a select few have way too much say so as to who wins our elections... then sometimes(rarely) the people overcome them in such numbers they can't make their way win.

Now in a few years people think Obama is the reason spending is out of control funny how telling lies often enough can sway the stupid.
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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OP - are you suggesting that the right to vote be removed from all the owners, managers and employees in the defense industry? Or big finance or medicine? These are the real recipients of government spending. Why should they be allowed to vote on programs the feed their paychecks and stock returns?

Or are you simply trying to make certain the poor never vote?
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