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Old 09-11-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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No.

TARP receipients should not be allowed to vote.
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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I completely understand that it is a constitutional right for every American citizen to vote, with notable exceptions.

That being said, is it time for a constitutional amendment taking that right away from people who have no skin in the game?
Everyone has "skin the in game." If you have to follow American laws, and you are an American citizen, you have a right to elect the people who make those laws. Period.
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Old 09-11-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Your relative is ripping off SSI, aka welfare, not the same as SSDI. The person who was was rejected twice was SSDI. 90% of those who apply SSDI are denied, which means most do have to appeal, where as those who are stone broke, hardly ever worked or worked at all, no assets and is under the weather can fake the welfare system and most likely will receive SSI. SSI does not come out of the SS trust fund but is moneys from the state and federal general fund and the amounts of monthly cash out and medicaid is much less than one who worked, paid into SS.

As far as you having to deal with a bum of a relation. Try taking care of an extremely ill wife of 30 years and at the same time fighting the system that she paid into for 30 years with her hard earned money just to be denied 3 times over 3.5 years while she becomes bedridden and crippled.
No, I assure you, it's SSDI. She received SSI while she was waiting for her SSDI to kick in and I agree, SSI is basically straight welfare, as well as the freebies that come with it (food stamps and Medicaid).

I'm sorry for your situation. But doesn't that prove how screwed up the system is? Someone like my relative can fake her way through the process while people who are deserving, like your wife, have to do appeal after appeal and half the time just give up.
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Old 09-11-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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This is all meaningless. The recipient class should not exist and therefore should not be able to vote. And libs, take that constitution crap somewhere else. The constitution doesn't authorize the programs that create the recipient class. I like how you all talk about the constitution being a "living breathing document" subject to change but in cases like this it's sacred. Hypocrites.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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The US and Britain are unique amongst democracies in not letting prisoners vote. This should be done away with. Many of the problems that exist in the US are fueled by low voter turnout. Increasing the number of voters would make for a healthier democratic republic.
Yea.

Allowing more felons to vote would help things.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:16 PM
 
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As for not allowing the "recipient class" a vote, that would mean denying the vote to all high level executives of corporations bailed out by the US government or even the high level executives of corporations who primarily do business with the government like Halliburton and Bechtel.
No it wouldn't.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Well then those "trust fund babies" who live on income from Big Oil, which is subsidized by our government, would be considered members of the "recipient class" and certainly could not vote.
Man.

That's a stretch.

So, everyone collecting a pension that was funded by oil stocks or any other stocks of any other companies who receive tax breaks are "recipient class"?

Me thinks not.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:29 PM
 
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First you'd have to restore the rights of poor people to buy and occupy real property in increments they can afford.

Unless a burger flipper is able to own his home, he's going to be hard pressed to come up with $5K or $10K.
Okay.

Invest in a housing project (using YOUR money) and offer those homes to "the poor".

Use their "affordability" to determine their payment.

There is no law preventing you from doing this.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:36 PM
 
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Just like government has taken away the property rights formerly held by poor Americans.
What does that even mean?

You sound like you have an ax to grind.

Who doesn't have the right to own property?

Property ownership isn't a right. It's a privilege.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:39 PM
 
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once again the right shows their ignorance of reality. First off many people that draw some sort of assistance are working. Secondly i would remind some of you that many service men and women draw assitance in one form or another, food stamps is common for those with families for rates of e-4 and below, do you want to cut out the right of them to vote, hmmm, maybe they will descide to not defend you or maybe even worse turn their weapons your direction. The reality is most people drawing goverment assitance are not lazy nor do they want to be drawing those benefits, have you even been paying attention to the economy or is that another reality you ignore? Can the social programs be run better, apsolutely, is it to right to punish those that have fallen on hard times on top of what they already going through, h*ll no. I find this sort of thread as un-american as it gets, may karma treat you with same consideration as you have for your fellow citizens.
Casper
lol
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