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View Poll Results: Who Was Better?
FDR 67 54.47%
Ronald Reagan 56 45.53%
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Old 03-13-2011, 07:03 AM
 
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As good as Reagan was, he's not up to FDR standards.
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Old 03-13-2011, 07:06 AM
 
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One of myths that leftists perpetuate is that FDR eased the pain of the depression. Not so, his administration prolonged it and made it worse. He was elected in 1932, but after six years in office the nation was still in economic misery. Franklin Roosevelt did not end the depression, it was Adolph Hitler and Hideki Tojo that did.
Care to explain how WWII ended the depression?
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Old 03-13-2011, 07:13 AM
 
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Doesn't this thread belong in the history forum?

no, it's quite relevant to what is going on in our economy today. besides, what is it to you. are you the forum police?
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Old 03-13-2011, 07:29 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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As good as Reagan was, he's not up to FDR standards.

true, Reagan could not stoop that low to get down to fdr standards.
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Who was the better president? FDR is the father of liberalism while Ronald Reagan is regarded as the greatest Republican president.

I would have thought Lincoln was their greatest...In retrospect people are finally realizing reagan wasn't so great after all. ... Not that I'm indicating that FDR was.
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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Who was the better president? FDR is the father of liberalism while Ronald Reagan is regarded as the greatest Republican president.

Reagan would be able to take him two out of three falls. FDR was wheelchair bound and would not stand a chance.
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Old 03-13-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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I think guiding the nation to victory in basically the most horrific war in human history is an achievement.

Yes, it would have been nice if the US could have stayed out of WW II, but the Empire of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor made it impossible to avoid.
Hahaha ... so says the person who thinks they have a "grasp" of history that everyone else lacks.

FDR is quite possibly the most corrupt and evil amongst the "popular" presidents in history ... and anyone with a firm grasp of ACTUAL historical facts couldn't argue that point for a New York City second.

Relative to the Japanese attack at pearl harbor ... some claim that FDR had foreknowledge of the attack ... the exact time and place fro which he purposely withheld from the commanders at Pearl Harbor ... and there is considerable evidence, albeit circumstantial, to support that possibility. A direct act of high treason if true. Be that as it may .... what is unmistakeably clear is that FDR purposely backed Japan into a corner in which they had two choices ... total subservience to the will of the United States (which FDR knew beforehand would never be acceptable), or war. And his policies toward Japan were specifically designed for that ultimate goal in mind ... to instigate war.

At the time, the American people had had enough of European wars, and FDR ran on a promise to keep America out of war. Secretly, he most certainly wanted to engage America in WW II, but needed an excuse that would sway public opinion to not only accept such a policy, but to demand it. Hence, the meticulously engineered manipulations leading Japan to attack, providing the "outrage" of the public needed for a FULL THROTTLE war effort.

Contrary to FDR's image as the anti-banker .. regular guy champion, he was intimately connected with the international gangster bankers ... he was one of them. (Do a little research before foolishly challenging this statement). Would such a champion of the people overtly steal their wealth with his act of Gold confiscation ... warning his banker friends ahead of time so that they could move their gold to offshore storage, avoiding loss?

And I would add, that those very same international bankers and corporations funded both sides of the war .... and THEY ALWAYS HAVE.
In the book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Professor Antony Sutton provides a thoroughly documented account of the role played by JP Morgan, Rockefeller, General Electric, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb, General Motors, Ford, and others in helping to finance the Nazis. To prove this point, Professor Sutton provides bank statements, letters from U.S. ambassadors, mainstream media sources, Congressional Records, excerpts from Congressional Investigations, and statements from the Nuremberg trials. Wall Street's funding of the Nazis is part of DOCUMENTED history. Prescott Bush, father of Poppy Bush, and grandfather of Dubya ran the financial infrastructure of the Nazis here in the US ... even after US involvement commenced, for which he was censured by congress under the trading with the enemy act, and his operations seized.

FDR was clearly working in concert with the banking and corporate industrialists in their blood-lust thirst for the enormous war booty to be exploited by US entering the war.

And the big lie .... Hitler and Germany would have taken over the world had it not been for the US and FDR's leadership. Ha! What suckers. Germany was a broken nation after WW I, and totally incapacitated. If it were not for the international financing Hitler received, much of it coming from the Rothschild controlled entities here in the US, like Morgan and Rockefeller ... Ford and GM .... General Electric, etc ... Germany wouldn't have been capable of waring with Switzerland in the 1940's, let alone the half of Europe, Russia and the United States.

Of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg here ... there's a lot more to the story ... these are just a few of the "missing" facts you aren't going to be taught in school or see on the history channel.

Do try to restrain yourself from telling others that they have no grasp of history when everything you think you know about the subject is a complete fairytale.
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Old 03-13-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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Hahaha ... so says the person who thinks they have a "grasp" of history that everyone else lacks.

FDR is quite possibly the most corrupt and evil amongst the "popular" presidents in history ... and anyone with a firm grasp of ACTUAL historical facts couldn't argue that point for a New York City second.

Relative to the Japanese attack at pearl harbor ... some claim that FDR had foreknowledge of the attack ... the exact time and place fro which he purposely withheld from the commanders at Pearl Harbor ... and there is considerable evidence, albeit circumstantial, to support that possibility. A direct act of high treason if true. Be that as it may .... what is unmistakeably clear is that FDR purposely backed Japan into a corner in which they had two choices ... total subservience to the will of the United States (which FDR knew beforehand would never be acceptable), or war. And his policies toward Japan were specifically designed for that ultimate goal in mind ... to instigate war.

At the time, the American people had had enough of European wars, and FDR ran on a promise to keep America out of war. Secretly, he most certainly wanted to engage America in WW II, but needed an excuse that would sway public opinion to not only accept such a policy, but to demand it. Hence, the meticulously engineered manipulations leading Japan to attack, providing the "outrage" of the public needed for a FULL THROTTLE war effort.

Contrary to FDR's image as the anti-banker .. regular guy champion, he was intimately connected with the international gangster bankers ... he was one of them. (Do a little research before foolishly challenging this statement). Would such a champion of the people overtly steal their wealth with his act of Gold confiscation ... warning his banker friends ahead of time so that they could move their gold to offshore storage, avoiding loss?

And I would add, that those very same international bankers and corporations funded both sides of the war .... and THEY ALWAYS HAVE.
In the book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Professor Antony Sutton provides a thoroughly documented account of the role played by JP Morgan, Rockefeller, General Electric, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb, General Motors, Ford, and others in helping to finance the Nazis. To prove this point, Professor Sutton provides bank statements, letters from U.S. ambassadors, mainstream media sources, Congressional Records, excerpts from Congressional Investigations, and statements from the Nuremberg trials. Wall Street's funding of the Nazis is part of DOCUMENTED history. Prescott Bush, father of Poppy Bush, and grandfather of Dubya ran the financial infrastructure of the Nazis here in the US ... even after US involvement commenced, for which he was censured by congress under the trading with the enemy act, and his operations seized.

FDR was clearly working in concert with the banking and corporate industrialists in their blood-lust thirst for the enormous war booty to be exploited by US entering the war.

And the big lie .... Hitler and Germany would have taken over the world had it not been for the US and FDR's leadership. Ha! What suckers. Germany was a broken nation after WW I, and totally incapacitated. If it were not for the international financing Hitler received, much of it coming from the Rothschild controlled entities here in the US, like Morgan and Rockefeller ... Ford and GM .... General Electric, etc ... Germany wouldn't have been capable of waring with Switzerland in the 1940's, let alone the half of Europe, Russia and the United States.

Of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg here ... there's a lot more to the story ... these are just a few of the "missing" facts you aren't going to be taught in school or see on the history channel.

Do try to restrain yourself from telling others that they have no grasp of history when everything you think you know about the subject is a complete fairytale.
Excellent post.

History repeats itself, right? I think your post could easily fit in with a discussion about our latest wars and troubles.
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Old 03-13-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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We're all smart when it comes to past events. We all know that laissez-faire model would have prevailed and Great Depression would have ended in 1933 if only that damn FDR wasn't elected as president and didn't impose strict regulations of uncontrollable financial markets in form of 1933 and 1934 SEC acts. Lmao!! Right wingers are so determined in their delusions it would have been funny if it wasn't so sad. But what matters here is the bigger picture, not whether he prolonged or shortened the depression but the fact that FDR's New Deal created a very powerful regulation basis that helped US economy to go through about 7 recessions in the next 50 years sustaining minimal damage and also managing to become world leaders.

Reaganomics, as we know it, indirectly brought us to the 2008 financial crisis. Nuff said...
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Old 03-13-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Care to explain how WWII ended the depression?

It was mainly due to two things:

1. An uprecedented increase in federal spending (on armaments).

2. A massive government jobs program (military draft).
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