The value of a college degree (fast food, drugs, rating, felonies)
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The institutions of education were similarly class based as was everything else, and reserved for the privileged class, with few exceptions. Harvard College (est. 1636), College of William & Mary (est. 1693) Yale (est. 1701) Princeton (est. 1746 as the College of New Jersey, then Princeton University in 1756) among many others predates the creation of the United States, and were funded by endowments of the Aristocracy, for the Aristocracy. Blacks were not denied access to this type of education because they were black, they were denied because everyone BUT the aristocracy was denied.
This is also incorrect. While Ivy League schools have tradtionally been the bastion of the rich and privileged they have specific but they were also among the first universities in the country to allow Black Americans to attend.
The first Black American didn't graduate from Harvard unitl 1870 and he was NOT a person that came from wealth or privilege.
RICHARD GREENER: Harvard's First African American Graduate (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/african_american_history/45324 - broken link)
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Richard Theodore Greener was born on January 30, 1844 in Philadelphia. When Greener was about nine, his father left the family to pursue mining opportunities in California. Tragically, his father was presumed dead after efforts to locate him failed. His mother moved the family to Boston, then to Cambridge in search of educational opportunities for her son. Greener received his early education at the Broadway Grammar School until he was about 14, when he quit to support his mother.
Greener obtained several jobs and was able to support his family as well as pursue his educational goals. One of Greener's employers, Franklin B. Sanborn, a famous teacher and reformer, used his influence to get him accepted to Oberlin College, the first American college to admit blacks. After three years at Oberlin, Greener left to pursue his dream, to study at Harvard College. In preparation for the strenuous curriculum at Harvard, Greener studied at Phillips Andover Academy and graduated in 1865, excelling in all his courses. He entered Harvard in the fall of 1865 at the age of twenty-one. In his sophomore year at Harvard, he won a Bowdoin Prize for elocution and another, when he was a senior.
In 1870, Richard T. Greener received an A.B. degree from Harvard, becoming this New England college's first African American graduate.
Yale University had its first Black American graduate in 1857.
Yale will celebrate the 150th anniversary of the graduation of Cortlandt Van Rensselaer Creed, M.D., the first African American student to graduate from Yale, on June 1 and 2, beginning with a reception at the New Haven Lawn Club, 193 Whitney Avenue.
In 1857, Creed became the first African American to be awarded any degree by Yale when he received an M.D. from the School of Medicine.
Edward Mitchell, Class of 1828, was the first African American admitted to Dartmouth. His admission to the College, in 1824, came 40 years before any other Ivy League institution admitted an African American student.
Five other African American students matriculated before the Civil War: Thomas Paul 1841, Augustus Washington 1846, Jonathan Gibbs 1852, Edward Draper 1855, and John R. Blackburn 1863. Washington was a renowned daguerrotypist (an early form of photography) who produced one of the first images of abolitionist John Brown. Gibbs applied to 18 different colleges before being accepted at Dartmouth. Washington and Gibbs both came to Dartmouth from Kimball Union Academy, in nearby Meriden, NH.
Also the premise that Harvard and other Ivy League schools is strictly the province of the rich and privilege is also incorrect. In most Ivy League schools such and other elite schools such as Stanford if you have the academic ability to get in and are selected for admission they have various need base programs that pay for tutition due to their large endowments. Barack Obama was certainly not a person of wealth or priviledge prior to his entrance into Harvard Law. Neither was Bill Clinton prior to his entrance at Yale.
Under financial aid guidelines adopted in 2007, parents in families with incomes of less than $60,000 will no longer be expected to contribute any money to the cost of attending Harvard for their children, including room and board. Families with incomes in the $60,000 to $80,000 range contribute an amount of only a few thousand dollars a year. In December 2007, Harvard announced that families earning between $120,000 and $180,000 will only have to pay up to 10% of their annual household income towards tuition.[86] In 2009, Harvard offered grants totaling $414.1 million across all 11 divisions; $339.5 million came from institutional funds, $35.3 million from federal support, and $39.2 million from other outside support. Grants total 87.7% of Harvard's aid for undergraduate students, with aid also provided by loans (8.4%) and work-study (3.9%).[85]
The cost of attendance in 2010-2011 is $54,947.[65] Stanford's admission process is need-blind for US citizens and permanent residents; while it is not need-blind for international students, 64% are on need-based aid, with an average aid package of $31,411.[58] In 2010, the university awarded $117 million in financial aid to 3,530 students, with an average aid package of $40,593.[58] total external and internal aid (including jobs and optional loans) amounted to $172.3 million to undergraduate students.[65] 80% of students are on some form of financial aid.[65] Stanford's no-loan policy waives tuition, room, and board for families with incomes below $60,000, and families with incomes below $100,000 are not required to pay tuition (those with incomes up to $150,000 will have tuition significantly reduced).[58][70] 17% of students receive Pell Grants,[65] a common measure of low-income students at a college. 15% of the undergraduates are first-generation students.[71]
Brown has recently adopted a financial aid policy which eliminates loans for all students whose family incomes are under $100,000. Furthermore, Brown has also eliminated all parental contributions for families whose incomes fall under $60,000.[66] The program allocates approximately $70 million toward financial aid.
Dartmouth meets 100% of students' demonstrated financial need in order to attend the College, and currently admits all students, including internationals, on a need-blind basis. Beginning in the 2008–2009 academic year, Dartmouth instituted a new financial aid policy extending need-blind admission to international students and replaced all student loans with scholarships and grants. Students from families with a combined annual income of less than $75,000 are not charged any tuition.[70][71] However, in early 2010, the College announced that it would re-introduce loans to its financial aid packages beginning in the 2011–2012 school year due to its changed financial situation.[
No doubt about it, this depression is hitting college graduates harder than any since the 1930's. Especially hard hit are architects and engineers, due to the collapse in construction.
I have NO college education. However, I make 150K a year. College education is, in most instances, worthless. Experience should be used, more then sitting in a classroom and listening to theory. However, since people wanted more "professionalism" in work, a degree was needed. Faulty thinking. For me and my profession, a "degree" is worthless. Your life experience is more important.
Until the masses recognize these ploys for what they are, and join together in common cause, black people are going to be in big trouble, and continue to lose ground ... because they're going to be totally outnumbered when most of us are in the street scurrying for the loose change.
Your assumption is that Black Americans are somehow "Losing Ground". This is a popular false that is perpetuated by the media. The reality is:
The percentage of Black Americans living below the poverty rate has declined by 50% in the past 50 years.
The percentage of Black Americans with bachelors degree or higher has incresed twice as fast as the overall population of Black Americans in the last 50 years.
As quiet as it's kept next to Asian Americans, Black American have seen the largest growth in per capita income in of any racial group in the past 20 years.
Prior to 1990 there were no Black Amerians that had been CEO's of Fortune 500 CEO's. In the last 20 years there have been 10.
Considering the fact that Black Americans are less than 50 years removed from the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 considerable progress has been made DESPITE continued racism and discrimination.
You also seem to forget that Black Americans are SURVIVORS. The fear and anxiety of "scurrying for loose change" is much more pervasive among other groups of Americans than it is for Black Americans.
No doubt about it, this depression is hitting college graduates harder than any since the 1930's. Especially hard hit are architects and engineers, due to the collapse in construction.
There were probably very few college graduates in the 1930's to be hit hard.
Having practically everyone go to college is pretty recent.
I have a difficult time blaming colleges and universities for poor educational choices made by the student or the lack of real-world opportunities. Unlike grade school and high school, colleges and universities are not institutions were students are spoon-fed information. By the time one attends college students are expected to be able to educate themselves. If they graduate with a degree that is worthless in the real-world they have only themselves to blame, not the college or university they attended.
You can say a great deal about colleges and universities, and I have, but they cannot be blamed for poor career choices made by the student.
I blame them because they transformed from institutions of higher learning into trade schools because of the big money. Now they've got everyone convinced that many thousands of dollars of debt is great and every year they can raise the tuition rates.
If they're going to be trade schools, they shouldn't be just about promising excellent job opportunities if that isn't the case.
There were probably very few college graduates in the 1930's to be hit hard.
Having practically everyone go to college is pretty recent.
you're misreading. he/she is saying: No doubt about it, this depression is hitting college graduates harder than any other depression/recession since the 1930's. Especially hard hit are architects and engineers, due to the collapse in construction
Actually, a degree in ancient Greek studies and English literature could translate well in real-world opportunities if they look for a position as a teacher, researcher, proof-reader, copiest, or other similar profession.
Granted, the number of opportunities for any of those professions is rather limited when compared to a more practical degree, like in accounting, but nevertheless one can still find rewarding work with a degree in the liberal arts.
rather limited? I would hesitate to say, especially in this employment climate, that rather limited would be an extremely generous statement.
This is also incorrect. While Ivy League schools have tradtionally been the bastion of the rich and privileged they have specific but they were also among the first universities in the country to allow Black Americans to attend.
The first Black American didn't graduate from Harvard unitl 1870 and he was NOT a person that came from wealth or privilege.
RICHARD GREENER: Harvard's First African American Graduate (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/african_american_history/45324 - broken link)
I'm not sure what you actually believe since you seem to teeter totter between rampant white racism and the exact opposite. Apparently, you just want to argue .... but I promise you, arguing with me will transform you from Jazzy to the Blues.
That Harvard was the first to admit a black only supports my contention that it was not racism but classism, reserved privilege to attend the Ivy League schools then, just as it is today. And though there are hardship financial assistance programs to allow the "commoner" to attend, it's a small fraction of the attendance overall ... with the majority still the wealthy, privileged class who do not have hoops to jump through for acceptance, whereas the average Joe had better have impeccable academic qualifications to even be considered for those special programs.
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Yale University had its first Black American graduate in 1857.
Also the premise that Harvard and other Ivy League schools is strictly the province of the rich and privilege is also incorrect. In most Ivy League schools such and other elite schools such as Stanford if you have the academic ability to get in and are selected for admission they have various need base programs that pay for tutition due to their large endowments. Barack Obama was certainly not a person of wealth or priviledge prior to his entrance into Harvard Law. Neither was Bill Clinton prior to his entrance at Yale.
I have one thing to say that blows you right out of that fairytale world you are promoting here .... that would be George W. Bush. Not only is he a Yale Boy, but a Skull & Bonesman, the most exclusive fraternity of them all. And George W. Bush was a MORON who wouldn't have been accepted as a groundskeeper at Yale with his academics. In the Air National Guard of Texas, it has been rumored that he was close to being too dumb to fly.
As for Obama, and Clinton .... well it's OVER YOUR HEAD, because you actually believe that Bill Clinton went from poor bastard child to the President of the United States .... becoming a Rhodes Scholar along the way. Just a nobody turned Oxford Boy, turned President of the USA? This is what you believe??
Go argue with someone else. You aren't qualified to debate me.
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