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Originally Posted by kazoopilot
how are liberals "fascists?" Fascism is a far right ideology. Liberalism is left-wing. Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it liberal.
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Originally Posted by kazoopilot
Do you know what socialism is?
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Originally Posted by djacques
Actually, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Republican Party was the relatively liberal (or progressive) party until the 1890s when the Dems went Populist and adopted the free silver platform. (There was still a streak of Progressivism in the GOP through the times of T.R. and LaFollette). The Republicans were also the high tariff party, going back to their Whig roots. Blaine in 1884 and Harrison in 1888 and 1892 made the tariff and the Dems' support of free trade (under conservative, gold Democrat or "Bourbon Democrat" Grover Cleveland) a major campaign issue.
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actually fascism is a form of socialism..it is leftist
"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them." lennin
....Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, clinton and obama.....""This is a
form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""
As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called
his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.
""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation.
In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
Here is the start of the progessives in america......1888, the year [when socialist] Edward Bellamy's novel Looking Backward burst on the American scene.” Set in the year 2000, this futuristic book depicts a utopian society run with the hierarchical efficiency of a military battalion. All workers in this idealized world belong to a unified “industrial army” that labors within the confines of an economy controlled by a coterie of central planners who are deemed to be more capable of fostering prosperity and productivity than is a free marketplace. A preacher in the story lauds the earthly paradise, while the population at large looks back upon the “age of individualism” with a blend of amusement and derision.
Bellamy's book became immensely influential, selling hundreds of thousands of copies. It was very effective at hitting th hearts of idealistic young people who were moved by the author's vision of a socialist utopia. All across America, “Nationalist Clubs” were formed to advocate for “the nationalization of industry and the promotion of the brotherhood of humanity.”
Its not hard to understand; The progressives (aka todays liberals which took over the democratic party) have been in bed with the elite since the late 1880's................these are the same people that created the fed, the same people that passed the income tax amendment in 1913, the same people that supported the european socialists and the nasi's, and the fascists
progressives have helped in some areas (child labor laws, etc) but their sole intent is to 'socialize' the united states, to either "nationalize" the entire country and its corporations (main stream socialist way), or to so over regulate the corporations (the fascist way)
progressives (aka liberals) were the ones who supported hitler, progressives are owned by the european banks
Up until ww2, fascist and progressives were the same thing....But they dropped the term fascist due to public outcry and stuck with the term progressive ever since. Aside from being a complete nut of a dictator, Hitler had extremely liberal political policies and highly regulatory government agencies. He even had unviersal health care.
H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor.
Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.
Wells called his political views socialist. He was for a time a member of the
socialist Fabian Society. The Fabian Society is a British socialist movement, whose purpose is to advance the principles of Democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means................ Wells believed in the theory of eugenics. In 1904 he discussed a survey paper by Francis Galton, co-founder of eugenics, saying "I believe ... It is in the sterilisation of failure, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies."
George Bernard Shaw a dedicated Socialist and a charter member of the Fabian Society. After visiting the USSR in the 1930s where he met Stalin, Shaw became a supporter of the Stalinist USSR. On 11 October 1931 he broadcast a lecture on American national radio telling his audience that any 'skilled workman...of suitable age and good character' would be welcomed and given work in the Soviet Union. Shaw was a proponent of the theory of "eugenics" that believed in the improvement of the human race through selective reproduction. Advocates of this theory feared society was at risk due to a declining gene pool because inferior people were breeding much more rapidly than the better ones. They advocated for public policies that would prevent this. Shaw claimed only eugenics could save mankind. Shaw even suggested people should have to regularly appear before a board to justify their existence
This is why the fake liberals of today call themselves "liberal". They hijacked the word after progressive was tainted with Hitler, Eugenics, population control, economic fascism, etc.
In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote,
"Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change
resembles that of Fascism."
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........
simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG....THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS
lenin also said this...."A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the people"
"Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno
"This year will go down in history. For the first time,
a civilised nation has full gun registration!
Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler
"National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order." ...hitler
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." bill clinton
"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski
the history is there, just because you dont like that people like mussilini and hitler tarnished the name of progressives, with Eugenics, population control, economic fascism, etc.... doesnt mean it didnt happen....
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Let me add to that.
One out of two.
